Episode 425: The Secrets of the Business Central MVPs

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Welcome everyone to another episode of Dynamics Corner.

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What does it take to become, or what even is, an MVP?

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I'm your co-host, chris.

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And this is Brad.

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This episode is a quote on June 3rd 2025.

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Chris, Chris, Chris.

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What does it take to become a Business Central MVP and what does it mean to be a Business Central MVP?

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And also, what is the co-development program?

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Well, with us, today, we had the opportunity to talk about all that and more with Jesper Schultz-Witt.

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Hey, good afternoon Take two.

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How are you doing Good?

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afternoon.

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Yes, I always want to try my fancy new headset but for whatever reason, they decide to work every other time.

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I do not know what it is, but if the sound quality is all right, like this, then we're just going to use my setup here.

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You know sometimes you can't beat just the old school wired ones.

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Yeah, I'm tempted to buy one of those.

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I went to the wired ones a while ago because the batteries you know as much as they say.

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Oh, you have eight hour battery life, but you have this.

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It just becomes more of a problem and I found I was always charging them.

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Yeah, especially like sometimes they want to tell you like, hey, now you've got 50% left.

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It's right in the middle of a conversation, so you get completely like broke so odd, so wired it is next time when I talk to you, gentlemen, it'll be with a wired headset.

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That's great.

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I haven't spoken to you.

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It feels like I haven't spoken or seen you in 20 years 20 years.

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I actually checked.

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I think last time was.

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San Diego.

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On the show.

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Was it San Diego?

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No, it was Orlando.

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Yeah, orlando, yeah, I didn't join Direction Sene this time around because you know the travel and there are so many conferences.

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No, no, there's a lot of conferences and scheduling with work and everything.

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We understand.

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I understand it's just like with us.

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I can't make every conference or every event.

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It becomes a challenge, both physically aware and tear on your body, but then also work and life and everything.

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So there's a big balance in everything too.

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I just came back from Dynamics Minds actually, which was a refreshingly different kind of conference, because normally I tend to go to directions which, even though directions in media and directions in AI are slightly different, but it's still kind of built up in the same way, whereas Dynamics Minds was very, very, should we say, community focused.

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Wow.

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That's excellent wow, that's excellent.

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Like with a lot of social events in the evenings and also some like less technical sessions but more like sessions they call it the fifth track, but sessions that you know gets your mind going like philosophical.

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Yeah, like you know, I went to this one um panel discussion that was with with um, where they discussed, you know, what is ai going to do to our productivity and and is, will it finally be that we get some, you know, something out of it?

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I mean, normally when something boosts your productivity, well, that just means you know someone else pours more on your plate and you just have to do other things.

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Right, but you will get more productive, but you won't really gain anything from these productivity tools that should ideally help you in your life, right?

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And then it kind of took that discussion and they went on for an hour or something discussing back and forth with a very interesting panel and Don I'm sure Carl wasn't there you just tipped my mind because I'll unpack a lot Because one thing I realized and I didn't have time to speak with it, I know I'd spoken with Chris and a few others about it that this last Directions conference is those types of sessions.

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I think what we're missing in some of these types of sessions or, excuse me, some of these events and Dynamics, minds looked amazing from afar.

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I always say I have to get over there, but the scheduling in, like this time of year, is extremely difficult.

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This whole May June period is extremely difficult.

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So sometimes when you have these conferences and even more so with me this year, because I even had to withdraw from DynamicsCon for personal reasons, so I had to pull out of the conference, so I was out of the loop from a lot of things for about six weeks.

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But with these conferences and such I like to hear that's refreshing is a lot of these conferences.

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They're all wonderful, a lot of valuable information.

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We talk often about, okay, here's a new feature, or here's this or here's that, but what I realized the directions after going through a few sessions sometimes what we're missing is like the practical use of some of these, right, so what you're saying to get your mind going to get your mind thinking now we have this new feature, how can we apply it?

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Let's you know, instead of just saying, okay, here you click this, you do this, you do that, it's okay.

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Well, let's just say, we have this scenario and you have to go through this kind of walk through it, versus just defining it from a technical point of view.

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I mean, with AI, wouldn't it be great if like would give you some time back and you could actually spend that time with your family or maybe doing some more things that we human beings were designed to do?

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I just fear, you know, it's just going to enable us to do more again and we're going to be even more efficient, even more productive.

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But sometimes I feel like, hey, maybe I could get more productive if there would be more Jesper time, or Jesper and his family time.

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And sometimes you know every day where you get bored and you just, you know, let your thoughts simmer for a while and then you come back completely re-energized to work and you will have, you know, amazing ideas.

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rather, than you're always, you know, chasing, chasing, chasing.

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So anyway, these sessions do right, they kind of start some thoughts and you're just kind of like you hit it right there, because it's true, we are.

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It's I.

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When I used to do a lot of hiking, I used to come back and I used to do a lot of thinking, because I was clear and, as you said, it's the working eight hours a day?

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Oh, excuse me, not even eight hours.

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Working 20 hours a day, or working, or working, or working doesn't mean that you're more productive.

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See, you're hitting the key words and I think what we really need to change to your point where these AI tools will make us more efficient because we can do more.

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Right, or we can do more right, or you can do other complex things faster because you have.

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yeah, perhaps that matters right, like time that matters, but what we need to do is let the air take care of that, yeah we should yeah things that you know that we're passionate about and that excite us, and then maybe, you know, have some more time to do nothing and think big thoughts.

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I think it's we have to change.

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It's the time value, the time value of money, or the time value money, like we value things by time.

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And I think that for us to be able to truly adopt the AI efficiencies I think we and for people to be able to have, like everyone talks about, the you know-life balance or all those other things to your point, I think we need to change how we measure.

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Right, it's not measuring Jesper's working eight hours a day.

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It's Jesper's producing this in the time that he's working, which now, if you're using the tools and such to help you, there's still value in that, and then maybe you'll get a little more time for the creativity and the thought, which also will allow you to produce more.

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It's not to say that you go off on vacation and you don't think about anything, but, like you had mentioned, sometimes having that downtime is you could send me on a tangent, I'm sorry.

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You know, brad and I talked about this, so we're actually trying to figure out what we could do A separate segment on this podcast called dynamics corner, unplugged, where we talk about dynamics but we also look at the impact that can give you can provide you in your life where you do something outside, more, maybe more strategic conversations within your organization because something's you know ai is taking care of the boring stuff, like you said, where you then you can just focus on being creative, strategic and then kind of help picture that for all the audience to understand you can do more fun stuff while AI is doing all the boring stuff.

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Right, those conversations need to happen more often because then people get excited Like, well, now I want to do AI because I can get to do all this stuff fun stuff, spend more time with family, be more strategic.

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So we need more of those.

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Let's see what humanity makes of this AI.

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I think we have a chance here to do things differently from the other previous centuries, some millennials or whatever.

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We got some productivity tools we were pretty good at figuring out.

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Let's do something else.

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No, I hope so I think you're right.

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I think, with everything, we were pretty good at figuring out.

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Let's do something else.

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No, I hope so.

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I think you're right.

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I think, with everything, we're about to have a shift, but there's a lot of things I want to talk to you about.

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It's great to see you again and virtually great to talk with you again.

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I've always enjoyed the conversation.

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But before we jump into so many things I'd like to talk with, we spoke I think was in February- 2024, where we, you know, spoke a lot about co-development, our, shall we say, open source ambitions on the Business Central team, and back then I just stepped into my new role as an I'd call it an individual contributor, but that means that I no longer have a team to manage, but I've turned my focus completely over to the partner channel.

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And well, now I'm a year into that role, right.

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So one would think, you know, a lot has changed, but it's kind of looking back and the time just flies by so fast.

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So, um, when it comes to to the co-development, open source story in business central, it's pretty much status quo.

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Uh, I have dedicated a lot more of my time on that, because that is my love child, if you will.

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Um, I, I really I mean especially looking at how much is happening and how quick things are moving out there.

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I think it's more important than ever that that the product group and and the partner channel move closer together and and that we kind of help each other where we can, rather than reinventing the wheel and in all corners of the app.

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And I think if we just get should we call it the application platform right, then we can focus on.

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Maybe Microsoft looks at the agents part and, hey, how can we automate and infuse everything with AI?

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Of course, partners as well, but you know, if we take more like the platform approach and give you the tools that you need to build great AI and then we collaborate together on you know the features, because without the right features and the product, you know, ai will not be able to help us much either.

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Right, so, but I think that there's a huge opportunity there for us to really get ahead of the game and, quite frankly, outpace our competition, because the partner channel is vast.

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And I still think this is the right way.

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So that's why I spent a lot of my time trying to push the story forward.

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But I very quickly realized, uh, that that I'm me as a one-man army, trying to push that story is not going to work.

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I just hit my cap, like how many pull requests on github kind of process a day turns out the answer is one and a half, uh, in average.

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And then, you know, then we had, I think, in 2024, wave 2 release, we had 156 code contributions from a partner in the product and then, and the other one was two more, so still below the 160, but it seems like around 160.

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That's where the cap is.

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So then I thought, okay, fine, well, I also need to.

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I need to then think new thoughts.

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How can we, how can we, you know, get around the bottleneck?

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That is me, um, and that's what I've been spending a lot of my time on in the past year, trying to crack that knot.

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That that's it's tough.

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It's difficult to replicate yourself, but you can use maybe AI to help you.

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Yeah, but also I shouldn't replicate myself.

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Right, I should, because there's no need to have multiple yes-persons, it should more be.

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That lies in the name co-develop, and that's why we don't call it contribution model anymore.

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It's literally.

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We want the entire AL code base to be something that we jointly develop.

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It doesn't matter if you're a partner developer, it doesn't matter if you are a partner developer, it doesn't matter if you're a Microsoft engineer.

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We should all be able to jointly develop on this thing.

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And of course, you still need someone to judge.

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Hey, you know, is this feature for the greater good or is that maybe more for a vertical niche?

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And currently that's a little bit where the bottleneck is.

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So that's, you know, our, our program managers, product managers and and or, like the, the internal microsoft engineers I'm kind of looking into like, hey, you know, you guys are just as as well equipped to to make these calls right.

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If you, if you, I mean if you see a feature suggestion on bc ideas and let's just say you know 20 different partners from 20 different verticals say like hey, you know, that would be very cool to have in the, in the application platform, then who am I to say no, I mean, the people have spoken right.

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So I kind of I'm hoping that we can go in that direction and that it becomes more self-driven and and that you know some, some community member says like, hey, I'm gonna wear the product manager hat today and you know, I'm gonna read through the specs and then I'm gonna pass them to someone else to sanity check.

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And then someone else says, well, I'm gonna be a tester, well, I'm gonna be the developer, and then you kind of, you know, build this little virtual v team centered around github.

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You find the feature you want to develop, and when everyone is happy, of course, there's a check here at Microsoft.

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That, you know, is all the quality gates.

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You know, do we live up to these and so on, and does it really make sense?

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But in the end, you know, conceptually I don't think Microsoft needs to be involved in every smaller addition to the platform.

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No, I agree with you.

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I can see that work and I can think it's working.

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And again, the ability to have a different viewpoint and what features make it into the application, because I know a lot of features come from the development team there at Microsoft and also, as you mentioned, the co-development that was added to it.

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So there has to be a mix of what actually should make it into the application, and I always go back to as long as it doesn't get to the point where it becomes overly complex to use it.

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That's always been one of my fears with anything with an evolution.

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If you keep adding features and functionality, it gets to where it's difficult to keep up with it or maybe difficult to know exactly what's there.

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And at the rate of release versus the rate of adoption from the partner point of view, and then also the rate of adoption from the customer point of view, because, to go back to what we're saying earlier about being productive and be able to do more, it's all these new things are added.

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The partners need time to absorb it as well as the customers, right?

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So if you look at, even if you went with, the partners are primarily helping the customer.

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Some customers can be self-sufficient because they have a large enough team on their own.

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It's how long does it take for those features to flow down to where they actually get widespread use, to where you're not already piling on more features because now the next wave comes up?

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So it's, it's a challenge, I see.

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Yeah, the adoption, yeah, give them some time to adopt.

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Yeah, but ideally so.

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This is a completely different topic, but also something that the Business Central team is looking very much into right.

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It's like can we somehow maybe manage the rollout of features to a higher degree than we do now?

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Because right now, as you said, every half a year a release comes along and you get the features, whether you like it or not.

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Of course, some of them are hidden behind features switches, some of them are hidden, you know, behind some settings, but generally you will get the features right now.

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How about that?

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That you know we would release features and they just and you just give the partners, should we say, infinite time to ramp up, to build their verticalizations on that feature.

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And when they say they're ready and the customer is actually requiring this feature and say like, hey, we need it now, well then we roll it out.

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That is so much easier said than done, but that would be super cool because that would take away.

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You know, yes, a new wave would come, a new possibilities would come, but the customer wouldn't experience much change.

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I don't know if there is a right answer.

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I mean, I think anyone will take a different view, because a lot of the features and functionality are great, because you also have new implementations as well, so they could take advantage of it, and then you have the existing, so it's just something.

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Some of them were interested in rolling out, and then that was still.

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Listen, I have been passionate about the product my entire life.

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I still am passionate and I'm still excited about every release and feature, and I love the way things are going, even with the co-development.

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I mean, I think, everybody to have the opportunity to contribute, uh, to assist instead of uh like, I'm one of those instead of complaining, you can actually do something.

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Uh, so do something, and you know you have the opportunity.

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So if you're not doing, then don't complain, as I said.

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So enough of that.

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So I'm glad to see it's going well.

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So what have you been working on with the partner channel in this past year in your new role?

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Yeah.

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So I mean I try to how should I not put that?

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So I try to be a partner ambassador, if you will.

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Um, within the product group.

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Mostly you're just just being out there on either in-person conferences or, you know, on viva, engaged slash, yammer um or an ex, and just listening and kind of, when I see someone you know just maybe being upset about something and tries to take that back and say like okay, what actually happened here?

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And then does that person have a point?

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And if there is a point, then make sure that we a, you know, fix the issue and then be learned from it.

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Um, because very often, you know, we are so extremely busy and then, you know, we just sprint forward and kind of um, maybe forget to learn our mistakes, which is one of the most important things that we can do, right, because mistakes will be made, that is inevitable, but I think it's our, you know, as long as we learn from them, then I think we, I mean it's all worth it, right.

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So maybe sometimes to slow down and say like hey, you know, here's a partner and that partner has a point, what do you think?

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So that's one of the things that I've been trying to spend a little time on yeah.

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And then the other thing that you know the two of you are MVPs, so you probably know, but I am also trying to take our MVP program to new heights.

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Am also trying to take our MVP program to new heights.

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Now maybe I should.

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I don't know how much people know about the MVP program.

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That's what I wanted to get into is.

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I was just about to ask some questions about that because it's long before, even you know, I was became honored to become part of the group or to have that.

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I had some questions about it myself.

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So, with you being the one as sort of the program ambassador for Business Central, maybe you could tell us a little bit about the program.

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So the MVP acronym, you know.

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You see people say most valuable player.

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You know, most valuable person From the Microsoft point of view.

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What does the MVP mean?

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That's the most valuable professionals.

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So it's a, it's partners that um are, should we say, community leaders that have shown or have found a niche in the community where other community members will look towards them for guidance or to be inspired, or, you know yeah, know yeah as leaders of the broader community.

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And the community is large, as you know, right, I mean, it's multiple thousands of people, whereas the group of MVPs, even though it has grown in the past three years, from approximately 30 to now we're almost 70, but it's still just a very small subset of what is the Business Central community, right, it's still just a very small subset of what is the Business Central community right.

00:19:45.007 --> 00:19:52.055
So for the Business Central product, there are 70 Microsoft valuable professionals.

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What is it again Most valuable?

00:19:55.102 --> 00:19:55.805
professionals.

00:19:55.805 --> 00:19:59.804
Okay, they are kind of divided into two sections.

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We've got the functional consultants that know everything about how a business center is supposed to work, that know everything about how a business is supposed to work, and then we've got the technical specialists that maybe are a little bit more on the geeky side of things, you know, being more hardcore developers or knowing the technical in and out.

00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:16.203
That's the best side to be on.

00:20:16.243 --> 00:20:23.762
By the way, I mean, I love the functional stuff Even some that are in both camps, which is, you know, even more impressive when you've got both skills.

00:20:23.963 --> 00:20:30.875
Yes, yes, that's how we learn to survive is you can put your foot in both camps that way, when there's enough flow.

00:20:30.875 --> 00:20:48.269
So there are 70 professionals for Business Central in the MVP program and we see them out there, and you had mentioned that those are individuals that are inspiration to others, or people look to, for I don't want to say guidance, but they look up to for inspiration, as you say, which is good.

00:20:48.269 --> 00:20:51.188
What does it take to become an MVP?

00:20:53.676 --> 00:20:57.625
yeah, as I said before, like you should probably find your niche, um.

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So if you go just about 10 years back, there weren't all that many conferences and back then it was plenty.

00:21:05.326 --> 00:21:34.303
If you were one of you know the, the people who really had an area of expertise, and then you would then go on a tour to the conferences that were around the world and you would then be a speaker and, just, you know, share your knowledge, because that actually already makes you a specialist in that area, right, and people will come to you and say, oh well, you know everything there is about, you know item tracking, and then you would become that de facto mvp in that area.

00:21:34.303 --> 00:21:53.622
Now that is not not fully enough anymore, I would say, because with you know that many conferences being there and that many speakers and also the community as a whole growing, that would mean that by that definition we would have, I don't know, 500 mvps or something, um, and that's more than we can handle.

00:21:53.622 --> 00:22:00.396
So I would to two if you have aspirations of becoming an MVP first.

00:22:01.338 --> 00:22:03.463
So diversity is maybe a good word to use here.

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First you need to be, you need to find an area where that isn't already well covered.

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So being a speaker in the United States is not enough, because we have plenty that do that.

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So get a second leg to stand on, uh, even better.

00:22:17.826 --> 00:22:22.883
I mean, of course, you can't help in which region you're born into, so, um, but even better.

00:22:22.923 --> 00:22:27.180
There are regions in the world that have fewer mvps than others, right?

00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:31.656
So europe and the us or north america, I should say are pretty well equipped.

00:22:31.656 --> 00:22:37.423
If we go to africa, I think business central has one, and if you go to Africa, I think Business Central has one, and if you go to South America, there's zero.

00:22:37.423 --> 00:23:00.115
So, out there, if you happen to be a community leader organizing user groups in Brazil, argentina, whatever, or maybe the entire South America, and you actually manage to pull that off, right, you stand a pretty good chance of becoming an mvp in the business central team.

00:23:00.115 --> 00:23:02.842
Of course, you can also still live in the us.

00:23:02.883 --> 00:23:05.135
It doesn't matter where you're born or where you live.

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It's where you do your things, right, I mean, it's, it's where you, where you help the community.

00:23:11.055 --> 00:23:12.598
So that's one you know, um, we want to cover the entire globe and what.

00:23:12.598 --> 00:23:18.657
Wherever in the whenever part in the world you are, if you're looking for a community leader, if you know, um, we want to cover the entire globe and what, wherever in the, whatever part in the world you are.

00:23:18.657 --> 00:23:28.266
If you're looking for a community leader, if you're looking for someone to orchestrate, you know so we say user groups and whatnot you know another good one.

00:23:28.286 --> 00:23:31.557
Um, I know last year, you know, ben and I were talking about this.

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You know, one of the things that my goal was is to work with other mvps.

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I had an opportunity to work with other MVPs from all the other different categories you know my power platform and CE and uh, so we put a in and I think Cecile and I as well.

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She's a BC MVP and we created a community in the Philippines and it's like, well, there's never done one before.

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So we did one together and it was fascinating because they didn't quite understand or know about Business Central.

00:24:01.568 --> 00:24:03.855
So you know what I mean.

00:24:05.357 --> 00:24:14.464
Like it was so cool to see that there's other young professionals that want to do ERP and Business Central is one of the things that was presented.

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So it's pretty cool to you know, that's an opportunity for us.

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With all the technologies available, you could do all of this remotely because we all live in different parts of the world and we just met every Saturday morning at six in the morning my time every Saturday put a community together and then seeing it all you know come into fruition, it's fascinating.

00:24:37.646 --> 00:24:40.984
It gives a lot of giving back to the community, right?

00:24:40.984 --> 00:24:52.631
I think that's one of the big components about becoming or being an MVP is that you want to give back that knowledge, that you also got an opportunity because I, you know I learned from other MVPs as well.

00:24:52.631 --> 00:24:56.986
Right, so it's inspiring to you know, work towards that.

00:25:00.194 --> 00:25:07.800
Yeah, and it's a great example that you bring there right with the philippines I mean emerging markets, and you may be leading the way for for another, for for young talent there.

00:25:07.800 --> 00:25:10.875
I mean that that is exactly what it means to be an mvp.

00:25:10.875 --> 00:25:18.795
Yeah, and of course, you know, you don't necessarily I mean that there are now we're just touching upon these, uh, user groups and being a community role model.

00:25:18.795 --> 00:25:36.079
But of course, you know, if you're just excelling and creating great videos, you know, maybe taking away the complexity of things and explaining them in a way that other people understand them, that is also a great way to help the community Writing blogs, even books.

00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:49.196
If you have that kind of gift that you can put together one of these, um, so so, yeah, I mean there are many ways, uh, to be a community leader, um, but but find, yeah, find your niche.

00:25:49.257 --> 00:26:06.560
Find something that is not already done by by, by others so, to pull it back, an mvp, as you had mentioned, is someone who's an inspiration as a community leader, who helps drive business central forward in areas and continue to be in areas that may not be covered, as you had mentioned.

00:26:06.560 --> 00:26:33.854
So I mean there may be many speakers not to say that being a speaker doesn't make you influential in a sense, or to show that you demonstrate your passion, but it's a little bit more sometimes to go beyond and, as you had mentioned, the underserved markets that may not have the visibility of Business Central, to get involved there, to bring education, knowledge to users in a way that I don't want to say glorifies, but makes and helps with the adoption of the use of the product.

00:26:33.994 --> 00:26:39.026
If you want to stay in the US and you want to become an MVP there, that's also of course you can also do that.

00:26:39.026 --> 00:26:42.515
I'm just saying the competition is a little bit more fierce there.

00:26:42.915 --> 00:26:44.026
No, I understand what you're saying.

00:26:44.026 --> 00:26:45.540
I'm just trying to say some ideas.

00:26:45.996 --> 00:26:47.402
This podcast is a great way.

00:26:47.402 --> 00:26:49.843
This is one of the examples of something that really worked.

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And now if someone else comes along like yeah, well, now you, now you've got something to beat right.

00:27:01.521 --> 00:27:02.222
I mean we don't need.

00:27:02.222 --> 00:27:04.366
You know dynamics corner and dynamic street, uh.

00:27:04.366 --> 00:27:15.258
So so you know, sure, if you're in for a little, you know competition, then by all means try to create a competing podcast in the us, but uh else, maybe find something else where, where?

00:27:15.258 --> 00:27:33.247
Because there are so many areas, in both functional areas but also regions in the world, that you know where the community is weaker or where there's where there could be I like the way that you explain it find a niche or find something that's unique and different, that brings additional value to the business.

00:27:33.267 --> 00:27:38.025
Central product and again, it doesn't matter where most importantly though, it needs to be your passion.

00:27:38.714 --> 00:27:41.825
So don't try to say, hey, I want to be an MVP, now how do I do that?

00:27:41.825 --> 00:27:43.761
No, find out what's your passion.

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What do you really really love?

00:27:46.342 --> 00:27:49.643
Because, as you said, chris, right, I mean you had to get up on Saturdays at six.

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You don't do that unless you are passionate about it, unless you you really want to do this.

00:27:59.382 --> 00:28:02.651
You don't want to spend your weekends or evenings and and sometimes you know what it what it takes to be a community leader is not what it says in your job description.

00:28:02.651 --> 00:28:15.719
A few are so lucky out there that you know job description and community work kind of overlap, so they get paid to to create great content for the community, which is awesome but most of us are not that lucky right right.

00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:23.609
Besides your full-time job, being part of a community requires some effort, and that's only possible if it's a passion it is.

00:28:25.394 --> 00:28:26.848
And I'm happy that you said that, because you do have to have a passion.

00:28:26.848 --> 00:28:35.182
And just with anything it's not just the MVP program or business center or anything Because I had some great mentors growing up and that's what somebody had told me early on.

00:28:35.182 --> 00:28:42.080
They said do what you enjoy, do it well, and the money will follow.

00:28:42.080 --> 00:28:42.643
It's the same type of thing.

00:28:42.663 --> 00:28:51.776
Whereas if you have passion and you're doing something because it's your inner being that's driving it and you really believe it and want it, then it doesn't become work, then you don't mind doing things and you're doing it for a different reason.

00:28:51.776 --> 00:29:11.182
Whereas if you're doing something just for a specific reason let's just say we want more money or we want to be an MVP then if you don't make it, you may get disappointed or you may over-try and it may have some challenges on yourself because of your mental health or your stress or something because of all that you're trying to do.

00:29:11.182 --> 00:29:19.996
So if you're passionate about it, it's visible, people will see that you're really in it and you'll be driving there, which is good.

00:29:19.996 --> 00:29:24.537
I like that approach and I'm happy that you said that, because I see many people say oh, I want to be an.

00:29:24.617 --> 00:29:26.807
MVP, and that's what their goal is.

00:29:26.807 --> 00:29:30.483
Their goal is not to do something, their goal is to have the title.

00:29:30.483 --> 00:29:31.971
As they say, the title, yeah.

00:29:32.996 --> 00:29:34.721
That's a cool title to have.

00:29:34.721 --> 00:29:35.825
It is a cool title.

00:29:39.315 --> 00:29:41.621
Not trying to minimize the title, I mean anybody who has that if you speak with them.

00:29:41.621 --> 00:29:48.203
I speak with many, and everyone thinks it's an honor it truly is, and everyone that I speak with has the passion too.

00:29:48.414 --> 00:29:50.201
So I think we all know the same ones.

00:29:50.340 --> 00:29:50.521
Yeah.

00:29:50.521 --> 00:29:54.835
Now we spoke about what it takes to kind of get into the program.

00:29:54.835 --> 00:29:55.915
That's what I was going to do next.

00:29:55.915 --> 00:30:00.179
Now you have your niche and your passion and your driving.

00:30:00.179 --> 00:30:03.481
Now how do we do this?

00:30:04.643 --> 00:30:10.027
Yeah, so if you found your thing, then someone else needs to recognize.

00:30:10.027 --> 00:30:26.326
You, needs to say, hey, you know that guy or girl you know does something, doing something amazing here, and then that person nominates you and it has to be either a fellow MVP or someone from the Microsoft team.

00:30:26.326 --> 00:30:29.434
And then, of course, that person has to accept and has to write a little bit about.

00:30:29.434 --> 00:30:31.847
You know, hey, what that we call it activities.

00:30:31.847 --> 00:30:32.571
It's where your list.

00:30:32.571 --> 00:30:35.641
You know what did I actually do so that you know?

00:30:35.641 --> 00:30:44.887
This application for an MVP title then ends up on Microsoft's desks here and we take a look at you know, does that person qualify?

00:30:44.887 --> 00:30:48.865
And again, as I said, you know there are caps like how many can there be?

00:30:48.865 --> 00:30:52.321
And do we think is that a good fit for the group?

00:30:52.321 --> 00:30:52.662
And so on.

00:30:52.682 --> 00:30:58.926
There are all these considerations that then flow into evaluating whether that person would be eligible for an MVP title or not.

00:30:58.926 --> 00:31:08.067
And you might get a no, but hopefully, you know, that won't stop you from continuing your passionate work that you had before.

00:31:08.067 --> 00:31:18.621
Because if you did it for the right reasons, for your passion, because you like being a member of the community, because you like being a community driver, then whether you get the title or not shouldn't really matter too too much.

00:31:18.621 --> 00:31:21.768
It should just be a token of appreciation that you got it.

00:31:21.768 --> 00:31:27.496
So you shouldn't hopefully you should not be thrown off your path by by maybe not making it the first time.

00:31:28.538 --> 00:31:47.144
Um, and it does happen more often than not that that people do get rejected, and that is because there are a lot of uh, you know, people that want to join the group of MEPs and there's only limited number of seats, right, so so, and also people it's very hard actually to see.

00:31:47.144 --> 00:31:56.000
Like, hey, someone already may be doing a great job over here, and I, incidentally, happen to want to do the same thing, so it's not.

00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.241
Having the big picture of what is my niche is actually not as easy as it sounds.

00:32:01.695 --> 00:32:02.819
So but you know.

00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:05.421
Yeah, but just one thing you talked about being nominated.

00:32:05.421 --> 00:32:08.494
Are there any limitations on who can be nominated?

00:32:08.494 --> 00:32:11.361
As far as who you are?

00:32:11.361 --> 00:32:13.786
You know, if you work for, do you have to work for a partner?

00:32:13.786 --> 00:32:14.749
Do you work for a customer?

00:32:14.749 --> 00:32:16.778
I know, if you work for a partner, do you work for a customer?

00:32:16.798 --> 00:32:29.548
I know, if you work for microsoft, you can't be an mvp, but that is yeah, and I also think you'll have a hard time if you work for one of our competitors, um, because you will get led into, uh, you know, some of the more secret information.

00:32:29.548 --> 00:32:32.980
So no, of course I mean you.

00:32:32.980 --> 00:32:43.280
You should obviously belong to the, to the business central community, else I don't see any reason for you to join the Business Central MVP program, and that's the only one that I care about.

00:32:43.280 --> 00:32:58.647
I mean, of course, you know that there are other products, like you know Power this, power that, or you can be F&O, or you can be you know something else entirely Copilot, obviously, all the new AI groups, and you can actually also be MVP in more than one technology area, as we call them.

00:32:58.647 --> 00:33:05.503
But I'm only looking at the business central part of things, so I'll stick to talking about that, because that's what I know.

00:33:07.315 --> 00:33:10.200
Yeah, I love the you know called out.

00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:25.607
You know, even if you say you get a no or you don't get nominated, you know there are a lot of wonderful community members that just put work every year on great content.

00:33:25.607 --> 00:33:34.364
Maybe they don't do a lot of videos or blogging, but they always show up in conference, right, they always speak about things that they're so passionate about.

00:33:34.364 --> 00:33:35.266
They're really, really good.

00:33:35.266 --> 00:33:41.647
They've done it for years and I've never seen them get nominated or but they keep doing it.

00:33:41.647 --> 00:33:45.926
And that's what I love about the community is that the title is amazing.

00:33:45.926 --> 00:33:49.578
Right, the title is great, but at the end of the day, it's like what's your passionate about?

00:33:49.578 --> 00:33:52.056
And it shouldn't stop, you shouldn't slow you down.

00:33:52.076 --> 00:34:02.048
You know for for helping a product grow, because you know for helping a product grow, because you know, at the end of it all, like we built careers off of this product, right, I mean that's.

00:34:02.128 --> 00:34:03.470
I think that's how all of us started.

00:34:03.470 --> 00:34:04.391
I mean that's how I started.

00:34:04.391 --> 00:34:17.103
I worked as an end user, discovered Dynamics Nav and fell in love with the product and then, like, just did local user groups, right, and then after that you kind of grow into the bigger conferences and get excited about that stuff.

00:34:17.103 --> 00:34:31.800
But you build a career and because of all the people that I've come to watch their speaking session, I got to learn from them that helped me build my career.

00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.447
So if you think about it that way, you can make a huge impact in people's lives of like young professionals like I.

00:34:36.447 --> 00:34:58.965
Was sitting there and seeing someone speak and say, yeah, I'm learning something, and then bring it back to the company my work and then be a superhero at work and then you get comfortable and maybe you get the confidence of going up there and you become that and then it's like an awesome cycle eventually and then you may get an MVP title right.

00:34:59.496 --> 00:35:04.001
Eventually enough, people will notice you, right, they're going to know who you are and they'll be like hey, chris, of course I know, chris.

00:35:04.001 --> 00:35:08.646
And then that's where you know, maybe the time has come to get nomination.

00:35:09.376 --> 00:35:10.561
So just to go back.

00:35:10.561 --> 00:35:13.585
So now we have a niche that we have passion for.

00:35:13.585 --> 00:35:18.956
We have someone who we know the requirements passion for.

00:35:18.956 --> 00:35:22.893
We have someone who we know the requirements, that pretty much is someone who's passionate about the business central products in the community can be nominated.

00:35:22.893 --> 00:35:33.746
They'd have to be nominated by either an existing MVP or someone from the Microsoft team, I'm assuming from the business central team, because it's the area that we're in Now.

00:35:33.746 --> 00:35:35.695
They go through the nomination, someone you had mentioned.

00:35:35.695 --> 00:35:41.521
They would have to write something up, I'm assuming, why this person should be an MVP.

00:35:41.521 --> 00:35:59.023
Then we go into an evaluation period, correct, and what are some things that are evaluated or what can someone do to evaluate or how does the evaluation process go, going like behind the scenes on the MVP program here.

00:36:00.617 --> 00:36:02.423
Yeah, that's pretty straightforward actually.

00:36:02.423 --> 00:36:05.126
So you'll have to list, you know, your top.

00:36:05.126 --> 00:36:06.795
I think it's 25 activities.

00:36:06.795 --> 00:36:10.686
You can list more, but there's like a list of 25 or 26 or something.

00:36:10.686 --> 00:36:14.525
What are the accomplishments in the past year that you're most proud of?

00:36:14.525 --> 00:36:17.282
And important here is it's one year, one reward.

00:36:17.282 --> 00:36:24.217
So you know, don't list stuff that you did five years ago, even though it might still have been a great thing that you did back then.

00:36:24.217 --> 00:36:25.340
But it doesn't really count it.

00:36:25.420 --> 00:36:36.277
We will always look at the last year and also just quickly mentioning here after a year your title will have to be renewed and you'll have to go through the exact same thing again.

00:36:36.358 --> 00:36:39.903
So it's not mbp for life, it's mbp alumni for life.

00:36:39.903 --> 00:36:49.677
Yes, once you have the title, you will forever be, have been part of the mbp group, but the actual to be part of the, to stay part of the program, you actually will have to get a renewal.

00:36:49.677 --> 00:36:58.501
So this process where you go through your activities and see like hey, what, what great things they do for the community in the past year, you'll have to do every year.

00:36:58.501 --> 00:37:01.487
And there you simply, well, simply, simply.

00:37:01.487 --> 00:37:09.242
But let's just say you know you went to directions na and you had some sessions and you write down like well, I did a session on this and that and this was my reach.

00:37:09.242 --> 00:37:15.059
You know, there were that many people in the room and then maybe it was recorded or something, so you had a bit broader reach.

00:37:15.059 --> 00:37:26.043
And then I'm gonna go in and say like well, that's pretty cool, but you know 25 others, no, that's not enough 150 others so it's a good start, right.

00:37:26.083 --> 00:37:38.047
But then you maybe also went to summit and then you maybe help, you know, set up this user group in the philippines and and well, then you also had a podcast, uh, which you know a lot of people listen to.

00:37:39.215 --> 00:38:17.235
And then slowly, you know, this picture shapes like okay, that person is definitely a community leader still and has really in the last year done things for the community that were appreciated and noticed by others, and then, and that can actually I mean it can be one huge activity, like something that is just, you know, if someone says like hey, podcast, and then people say, brad and Chris, you know, if we get to that, you know, and there is no competitor, it's like there is just one podcast then that would actually might just be enough, right, if you have weekly, bi-weekly episodes, you will do so much for the community through this one effort that it's plenty.

00:38:17.235 --> 00:38:19.762
You will do so much for the community through this one effort that it's plenty.

00:38:19.762 --> 00:38:23.512
Or if you have many small things, you know, then of course it delivers.

00:38:23.512 --> 00:38:28.108
I mean, it's it's probably good to have something that that people see as a synonym to you.

00:38:28.168 --> 00:38:37.047
So when I say this name, that people think something I understand you know you're a super expert in item tracking and so item tracking, oh yeah, sure ask Chris.

00:38:37.047 --> 00:38:52.695
You know, if you have built somehow this notion that people will put your name synonyms to something else, then you have to have to become a community leader in that right, and if that is an important area, then that is enough.

00:38:52.755 --> 00:38:56.840
Yeah, so you build your persona right, like oh yeah, that person fits there.

00:38:57.382 --> 00:38:58.326
I like that this is good.

00:38:58.326 --> 00:39:07.443
I like the deep understanding here because I know that there's a lot of questions out there about this program, so I'm happy that we're sort of unpacking it.

00:39:07.443 --> 00:39:12.579
I have a lot more questions, but I'm not going to ask them, yeah.

00:39:14.282 --> 00:39:37.918
You know, there's almost every conferences at least I've been to would have asked MVPs and surprisingly, a lot of the questions get asked, not necessarily about becoming an MVP, it's about the products and what have we seen, and things like that.

00:39:37.918 --> 00:39:41.003
So was I had an opportunity to be part of that, the dynamics, con, um, so it was.

00:39:41.003 --> 00:39:47.682
It was a um humbling feeling because, you know, I, we, for me, I came in there thinking like, okay, they want to be.

00:39:47.682 --> 00:39:51.000
You know, a lot of people maybe want to become an mvp and they want to know the process.

00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:58.465
They can clearly now listen to this podcast, what it takes to it, but at the same time, like in those uh sessions, it's like hey, I got this problem.

00:39:58.465 --> 00:40:00.009
Like how would you solve it right?

00:40:00.009 --> 00:40:03.074
Or what, where is the product going in your opinion?

00:40:03.074 --> 00:40:13.320
So it's, it's uh, I love this session because it kind of puts us um, uh, you know we have to be honest, right, like, okay, are we really an expert?

00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:14.923
You know?

00:40:15.164 --> 00:40:18.896
years ago actually, we had this ask the mvp, so we would invite people on stage.

00:40:18.896 --> 00:40:23.635
I like not people, mvps on stage, but the group was smaller, right, so it was direction samia.

00:40:23.635 --> 00:40:26.402
There might be 15 people or something, and it was in the us.

00:40:26.402 --> 00:40:35.099
There might have been 10 mvps on stage and then the audience could ask questions, but then at some point I think we were 35 or something on that stage and it just.

00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:44.188
You know, mvps love to talk because they have so much I think, we got through two or three questions and it was just chaos.

00:40:44.288 --> 00:40:48.985
So is it like, yeah, maybe we've outgrown that format of asking yes?

00:40:49.085 --> 00:40:49.686
I think so.

00:40:49.686 --> 00:40:53.079
Some do like to speak, but you're right, I mean that is also.

00:40:53.079 --> 00:41:02.905
I mean, people look towards mvps for guidance right to get the question answered because you have been marked as being one of the most knowledgeable professionals out there.

00:41:02.905 --> 00:41:05.880
So that's kind of also what that award should give you.

00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:14.668
Also, I guess if you are a speaker, you might have an easier time getting a slot in one of the bigger events when you are an MVP.

00:41:14.668 --> 00:41:18.346
So that's one of the perks I think that come with that title.

00:41:18.896 --> 00:41:20.179
There are many perks that come with it.

00:41:20.179 --> 00:41:22.045
It's also a great group of people, by the way.

00:41:22.045 --> 00:41:29.438
I've met so many people that are truly genuine and passionate people at Business Central and it's strange.

00:41:29.438 --> 00:41:35.280
You almost become friends with people around the world virtually, and then when you get to meet them in person, it's great.

00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:36.585
And it's also with other community members.

00:41:36.585 --> 00:41:38.632
It's not just the MVPs, but the MVP group's great.

00:41:38.652 --> 00:41:39.474
So just to bring it back.

00:41:39.474 --> 00:41:40.961
That should be the next thing we talk about here.

00:41:40.961 --> 00:41:47.539
Then, when you have made it into the MVP program, then what you get of it right, Because yeah, Well, before we get into that.

00:41:47.954 --> 00:41:50.315
so now we have the nomination, we have the criteria.

00:41:50.315 --> 00:41:51.737
How long does it take?

00:41:53.677 --> 00:42:05.025
Oh, that depends a bit, but we do let new MVPs in every month, so but there are a few things that need to, you know, go through the system and whatnot.

00:42:05.025 --> 00:42:16.472
But usually I mean it can be as quickly as I think, two months or something but it might drag out a little because also, like, depending on how many new applicants come in it's I in.

00:42:16.532 --> 00:42:28.132
I also have a normal daytime job, so sometimes I just need to say hey, I'm going to stack up a few and then I'm going to do a review.

00:42:28.132 --> 00:42:32.543
So after your nomination it should take two or more months.

00:42:32.543 --> 00:42:33.932
So don't expect to hear tomorrow.

00:42:34.054 --> 00:42:35.221
It's not going to be within a week or two.

00:42:36.181 --> 00:42:47.103
No, because you write out your application and then it has to go through the system and then eventually, you know, every beginning of the month I get a list of now there are new candidates in the system and go review.

00:42:47.103 --> 00:42:54.197
Then I do my review and then I send them on and then there's some regional people that look at you know, is this market saturated or not?

00:42:54.197 --> 00:43:06.688
And then it goes on to the next level and then at the end of the day, everyone needs to have said yes, this person should be an MVP for the business central group, in my case, and then that person is going to get a thumbs up.

00:43:06.688 --> 00:43:14.820
I think again on the first of the month, so just yesterday or the day before yesterday, there was a new one.

00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:17.177
Yes, there was Another member of the.

00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.684
As I always say welcome to the party.

00:43:19.684 --> 00:43:21.047
Congratulations Everyone who gets it.

00:43:21.047 --> 00:43:22.340
It's honestly well-deserved.

00:43:22.340 --> 00:43:30.088
I mean, the individuals that get picked I know from the Business Central community are amazing individuals as well.

00:43:30.088 --> 00:43:33.378
So now… yeah, two months give or take.

00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.005
Say it again please Two months give or take.

00:43:36.065 --> 00:43:37.757
Okay, excellent, excellent.

00:43:37.757 --> 00:43:39.583
So now what comes with it?

00:43:39.583 --> 00:43:45.233
And then also, the renewal period is one time per year, correct.

00:43:45.253 --> 00:43:55.387
You have to submit yes that's for the fiscal year of Microsoft, which always runs from July to June, so I don't know why it's not from December to December, but it's like mid-year.

00:43:55.387 --> 00:43:57.981
So yeah, for that year.

00:43:57.981 --> 00:44:03.583
And then you would typically get to know like, like hey, now it's time for your annual renewal process.

00:44:03.583 --> 00:44:14.467
Uh, I think probably in march or something, and you would hopefully you have already collected all the things that you did, because if you haven't, then you're, you know, got some work to do.

00:44:14.467 --> 00:44:19.835
Um, but then, yeah, you kind of fill out the tool and then again the same thing happens.

00:44:19.835 --> 00:44:30.661
You know, until the, I think, first of first of march or first of june, may or june, I have to then go through the list of all of the mvps together with my team.

00:44:31.483 --> 00:44:39.423
Um, of course, you know, I not just look at the activities that are listed, but I'll also ask you within the product group like, has anyone noticed Brad?

00:44:39.423 --> 00:44:41.181
Has he done anything good for us lately?

00:44:41.181 --> 00:44:44.659
Yeah, I worked with Brad and he helped me here and there.

00:44:44.659 --> 00:44:48.322
Of course, all that feedback I try to gather feedback.

00:44:48.322 --> 00:44:53.534
Also, when I've had the opportunity to watch you live somewhere, I will have made my little notes.

00:44:53.534 --> 00:45:01.365
Or when I participate in a podcast I will like are these guys actually able to let me talk, or will they constantly interrupt me?

00:45:01.365 --> 00:45:17.791
No, I've got feedback right, and then, together with all the feedback from the product group and the activities that you've listed, you kind of form a picture whether we think you are still a good match for the program.

00:45:18.054 --> 00:45:19.179
So the renewals in June?

00:45:19.179 --> 00:45:20.742
When did the renewals get announced?

00:45:20.742 --> 00:45:26.418
So a new nominee within two or more months, or two or more months later?

00:45:26.418 --> 00:45:28.103
Uh, not within two months.

00:45:28.103 --> 00:45:31.460
And then for the renewals, the renewals you said in july to june.

00:45:31.460 --> 00:45:33.871
So when did the renewals get announced for those mvps?

00:45:33.871 --> 00:45:34.092
I?

00:45:34.132 --> 00:45:36.262
think it's the beginning of july, the beginning of july.

00:45:36.282 --> 00:45:36.643
So that's you will.

00:45:36.643 --> 00:45:37.849
You will get an email it's the beginning of July.

00:45:37.889 --> 00:45:39.255
The beginning of July, you will get an email.

00:45:39.255 --> 00:45:42.880
It's usually what people like MVP say Refresh, refresh, refresh.

00:45:44.536 --> 00:45:45.601
Yeah, 30 days then.

00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:50.123
Yeah, there's a specific date for that.

00:45:50.123 --> 00:45:52.945
Sometimes it moves a little bit so I don't really have the date.

00:45:52.945 --> 00:45:59.485
But I know that I had to submit all of my stuff by the 1st of June.

00:45:59.485 --> 00:46:01.168
This time around, excellent.

00:46:01.168 --> 00:46:04.043
So now it's like out of my hands.

00:46:05.096 --> 00:46:06.641
Now you can see if you overruled or not.

00:46:07.985 --> 00:46:18.775
Yeah, and that's actually kind of nice that I don't have that I'm not the only one with any power here Like it's good to have more people look at it, and of course I don't sit by myself.

00:46:18.775 --> 00:46:25.213
I will go to the product group, to the other members of the Business Central team, and see if they observe the same things that I did.

00:46:25.213 --> 00:46:34.898
It's a lot of work, but it takes some time with almost 70 people, individuals to discuss, and you want to be fair, and so it's actually quite the process.

00:46:34.958 --> 00:46:36.382
I can imagine that's what I was thinking.

00:46:36.382 --> 00:46:39.967
With that number of people, it's a lot of work for you to check in to validate.

00:46:39.967 --> 00:46:40.969
I also would say like hey.

00:46:41.028 --> 00:46:41.996
I've got this great blog.

00:46:41.996 --> 00:46:46.306
And then you click on the blog and you see, well, it has had 50 visitors in the past year.

00:46:46.306 --> 00:46:49.179
It's like, okay, is that now?

00:46:49.179 --> 00:46:50.362
What am I missing?

00:46:50.362 --> 00:46:51.282
Is the counter off?

00:46:51.282 --> 00:46:53.867
And then you need to start looking, you know.

00:46:53.867 --> 00:46:56.331
Does someone else mention this blog?

00:46:56.331 --> 00:46:58.315
Or also the content in the blog, right?

00:46:58.315 --> 00:47:01.873
Is it like just a rewrite of something that someone else wrote and maybe just shortened it?

00:47:01.873 --> 00:47:03.257
Like, what's the value of this?

00:47:03.257 --> 00:47:04.900
Does it bring anything new to the table?

00:47:04.900 --> 00:47:12.795
So you know, with every MVP listing up to 25 primary activities, there's a lot of investigation to be done.

00:47:14.838 --> 00:47:15.659
I can imagine.

00:47:15.699 --> 00:47:16.380
I cannot imagine.

00:47:16.380 --> 00:47:21.110
So you started talking about some of the benefits of being an MVP.

00:47:21.110 --> 00:47:27.221
So, other than having a connection with other passionate members, what are some of the other benefits?

00:47:28.916 --> 00:47:33.847
No, I do think that the community that comes with it is the ultimate benefit.

00:47:33.847 --> 00:47:36.161
Oh, absolutely, microsoft paid benefit.

00:47:36.161 --> 00:47:47.731
But having you know, other mvps on speed dial and whatever problem you run into, you can almost be certain there's someone that can help you because they are so skilled I laugh because you say they have them on speed dial.

00:47:47.992 --> 00:47:50.097
That's absolutely true.

00:47:50.097 --> 00:47:59.278
It's true because if you have a question, if you have a problem, it's almost like you shoot it out there and you have all of these individuals well you become friends.

00:47:59.579 --> 00:48:07.184
Well, they're more than willing to help and they come up with the answers where sometimes it's it's just really nice, uh, it's an extreme benefit.

00:48:07.184 --> 00:48:10.576
It's, which also, as you said, it's a benefit.

00:48:10.576 --> 00:48:16.637
But you are also part of that yourself because you are providing a lot of value, as you had mentioned, to the community as well.

00:48:16.637 --> 00:48:22.688
So it's not's not like you become an MVP and you get all this free speed dial talent to work with.

00:48:22.688 --> 00:48:26.304
You're also part of that group and you can provide that same information to others as well.

00:48:26.304 --> 00:48:30.795
So I just want to be clear that it's not a one-way street.

00:48:31.396 --> 00:48:35.246
Some actually also have these groups or these networks outside of the MVP program.

00:48:35.246 --> 00:48:41.043
It's just another network that you get into and it's kind of like you know, somehow people find each other in that group.

00:48:41.043 --> 00:48:45.655
Yeah, so that's um, and and then what else?

00:48:45.655 --> 00:48:48.682
I mean, yeah, sure, you get a license for this and that.

00:48:48.682 --> 00:48:55.155
I don't even know specifically right now what license we run, but I think it's a business central license and then some m365 license and whatnot.

00:48:55.155 --> 00:49:05.375
So that's more like the tangible benefits, but that's just for you to be enabled to test the product better, create more content.

00:49:05.375 --> 00:49:06.900
I do.

00:49:08.675 --> 00:49:14.804
Maybe it was my naivety at the beginning, just to say, just to share in some of that as far as what you get access to.

00:49:14.804 --> 00:49:31.302
But the benefits, the tangible benefits, are extremely helpful to allow you to drive more passion or more inspiration to others with the community, because it's tough to be someone who's passionate about the product if you don't have access to it all the way.

00:49:31.302 --> 00:49:43.764
So some of the benefits they have with giving you the Business Central license, they give you some Azure credits as well so you can do some of the Azure functions or use some of the Azure services with some credits.

00:49:43.764 --> 00:49:49.815
Copilot Studio was another big one that now you can work with Copilot Studio with Business Central.

00:49:49.815 --> 00:49:57.240
So it does help those that are out there promoting the product be able to have access to that as well.

00:49:58.036 --> 00:50:10.804
It gets you more motivated, right, because now you have all these tools and for you to be very passionate about the program or Business Central, it allows you to think, oh, maybe I should try this or do this and have it all, talk to each other and whatnot.

00:50:10.804 --> 00:50:15.059
So it does motivate you to create more content that eventually will help.

00:50:15.976 --> 00:50:18.103
It just makes you have less of a life, chris, it doesn't?

00:50:18.204 --> 00:50:25.911
I don't know if it's motivating, you get lost and you start saying, oh, that is true, because there's sometimes at night I'm trying to figure it out like, oh, maybe how could I make this work?

00:50:25.911 --> 00:50:26.172
How?

00:50:26.192 --> 00:50:29.684
can I make business central connect to this language model so I can use it locally?

00:50:29.684 --> 00:50:30.775
Right, they give me all the tools.

00:50:30.775 --> 00:50:32.336
Now I have to play with them, which is good.

00:50:32.336 --> 00:50:34.659
I mean, it is it's there's stefano jimena.

00:50:34.699 --> 00:50:36.320
he will be able to tell you about that.

00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:42.505
Yes, the thing right, that's the niche where he kind of established himself.

00:50:42.525 --> 00:50:50.998
Yes, the stuff he is doing is I don't want to go down that you know to take us on too much of a tangent, but the stuff he is doing is mind-blowing.

00:50:51.038 --> 00:50:53.947
So yeah, but now you've got this new MVP community and you've got some licenses.

00:50:53.947 --> 00:51:04.146
But then also and that's a little bit, depends a little bit on which product you're an mvp for, but at least for business central we also try to.

00:51:04.146 --> 00:51:07.159
So we do what we call pgi product group interactions.

00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:22.324
Those are meetings where you meet up with the product group and it's it's not supposed to just be a one-way communication, because that, at least for now, I'm only speaking on behalf of the business central team, because this is different for other teams.

00:51:22.324 --> 00:51:28.998
But we also have these partner office hours right where we tell you like, hey, here's some new cool features and this is how they work.

00:51:28.998 --> 00:51:38.588
But that's kind of when these features are done and we're just trying to, you know, teach the community, um, what have we done and how do you use these things.

00:51:39.657 --> 00:51:42.882
But that's not really where where our mvps shine.

00:51:42.882 --> 00:51:49.922
I would like to involve mvps earlier in the development process, um, and that's where these pgis come in.

00:51:49.922 --> 00:51:52.327
So, um, we kind of also share thoughts.

00:51:52.327 --> 00:51:54.418
Every mvp is under nda.00:51:54.418 --> 00:52:13.619


So you can't just go out and like, after these PGIs and start blogging about what you heard, unless specifically that we say, hey, this is okay go ahead but we can prep the MVP channel right to say here's what's coming, and so that you can be ready with your content when the product releases.00:52:14.541 --> 00:52:16.306


because that's, you know, a win-win.00:52:16.306 --> 00:52:32.840


You know, we, when we have the big moment, the big bang, like here's a new release, and then we have someone to evangelize and then to kind of go out and teach the other community members, like hey, this just came, and then this is how you use it and look how cool it is, you know, then that's just again a win-win.00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:36.166


So, um, yeah, you do.00:52:36.166 --> 00:52:38.177


You do get closer to the product group.00:52:38.177 --> 00:52:41.141


When you're a business central MVP, you do get a peek behind the curtain.00:52:41.141 --> 00:52:45.826


We will throw some balls in the air and you can catch whatever you want.00:52:45.954 --> 00:52:58.364


Let's just say, you know, hey, now we just had the sustainability model, and if you care about sustainability and you say, hey, you know that would be cool, we're going to say like, hey, we're going to develop sustainability module.00:52:58.364 --> 00:53:00.742


Would anyone be interested in helping us with that?00:53:00.742 --> 00:53:02.682


And then you can say like, yeah, keep me in the loop.00:53:02.682 --> 00:53:13.065


And then we're going to share our plans, give you test environments sometimes and try to at least prep you.00:53:13.065 --> 00:53:15.885


And also like, because you have the outside view right.00:53:15.885 --> 00:53:47.481


You might actually already have had some customers talking about this, and so we're going to listen to whatever feedback you come with as an MVP, and that is one of the parts that I value the most and that I try to drive, because I think, again, there's so much to win when product group and MVP group move closer together than quote-unquote just making you evangelists of the stuff that no it's, it's the saying that you say often is great, it's together we win, which is true it's if everybody contributes.00:53:47.621 --> 00:53:48.704


It's, I say over and over.00:53:48.704 --> 00:53:50.135


Rise and tides raise all ships.00:53:50.135 --> 00:53:56.887


So if the product does well, we all do well that have the passion and and about it.00:53:56.887 --> 00:54:05.978


And also you have those that evangelize that, if they can have something to help them be able to, to, to evangelize a little bit more than the product wins as well too.00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:08.646


So it's, uh, you know it's a large world, a long-term play.00:54:09.067 --> 00:54:09.916


No, it is, it's, it's.00:54:09.916 --> 00:54:14.327


Uh, you know, I'll be sad when I have to retire one day and maybe stop using it.00:54:14.327 --> 00:54:19.856


You're not going to.00:54:19.856 --> 00:54:20.818


Man, you'd be bored the way that I run around.00:54:20.818 --> 00:54:21.480


Yeah, I won't know what to do.00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:24.668


I was, uh, I took vacation for the first time in a long time.00:54:24.668 --> 00:54:25.951


Um, you did what?00:54:25.951 --> 00:54:30.463


Now, I don't think I know vocabulary that is no.00:54:30.583 --> 00:54:32.128


I took a real vacation.00:54:32.128 --> 00:54:35.615


I didn't uh, I did not use social media.00:54:35.615 --> 00:54:39.887


I fell off the face of some people say I fell off the face of the earth for a while, which was great.00:54:39.887 --> 00:54:46.425


I had a lot of good family time, which was good, and I decided to purposely not check anything and it was so nice.00:54:46.465 --> 00:54:47.547


It was so rewarding.00:54:47.547 --> 00:55:02.710


I usually I mean in Europe we're a little bit small because we have a little bit more vacation, I think, than you guys in one block, because the first week I will kind of cool down and like need to park all my thoughts that are Business Central related.00:55:02.710 --> 00:55:09.188


And I've got one week where there's absolute radio silence and nothing like it's all about family and vacation time.00:55:09.188 --> 00:55:13.286


And then the last week is like OK, now I need to start thinking Business Central again.00:55:13.286 --> 00:55:16.043


So like yeah, three weeks is perfect, if you can ever.00:55:16.898 --> 00:55:18.494


For that reason I think the three weeks is perfect.00:55:18.494 --> 00:55:31.347


But when you're in that one week and that's sort of where I was with that radio silence it was I say this because I encourage others to do it, because as many as often as people think, oh, I'm going to miss something, I'm going to miss something.00:55:31.347 --> 00:55:35.436


As I always say to Chris nobody cares Like, you don't miss much, you know what you miss.00:55:35.436 --> 00:55:38.059


If you're trying to worry about all that stuff, you miss your vacation.00:55:38.059 --> 00:55:43.105


This is what I realized a long time ago, whereas if you focus on what it is, everything will be there.00:55:43.105 --> 00:55:49.211


When you come back you can catch up if you need to, and even if you miss some stuff, you know.00:55:52.914 --> 00:55:53.836


Hey, perfect example of why AI is important.00:55:53.836 --> 00:55:58.568


Right, Like if you even take that as an example as part of your speaking session how you can utilize AI.00:55:58.568 --> 00:56:01.320


Dude, I'm with you.00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:02.164


I went camping.00:56:02.164 --> 00:56:06.023


I was out for a week as well, Came back and just had everything summarized.00:56:06.215 --> 00:56:07.179


That's exactly what I did.00:56:07.315 --> 00:56:08.882


Didn't feel like I'd miss anything right.00:56:08.882 --> 00:56:10.199


I knew what I had to like.00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:11.041


What's my priority?00:56:11.643 --> 00:56:12.045


No no.00:56:13.177 --> 00:56:14.201


Dude, that's amazing.00:56:14.201 --> 00:56:15.036


It's a perfect example.00:56:15.056 --> 00:56:22.349


Co-pilot with Outlook is and I'm not just saying it because we're talking with Jesper from Microsoft but co-pilot with Outlook was great, because I did the same exact thing.00:56:22.349 --> 00:56:34.027


I said summarize my emails by topic and I told her what to do, and it gave me a good bullet list of things to go by and it was to go with Jesper's point earlier you can do more now.00:56:34.027 --> 00:56:39.809


So now I wasn't so in your data, was trying to read through everything and, believe it or not, it was pretty accurate.00:56:39.809 --> 00:56:41.090


You know I did.00:56:41.150 --> 00:56:49.277


Yeah, no I mean, I use it like every day, obviously, like you know, also like when you, when you're late to a meeting and you can summarize and get you up to speed.00:56:49.277 --> 00:56:56.382


Sometimes you've got these overlapping meetings or maybe even meetings where I know I won't play an active part, I just won't participate and I just have it.00:56:56.382 --> 00:56:57.304


Give me a resume.00:56:57.304 --> 00:57:08.157


And should it be the case that I feel by the resume, oh, I missed out on something here, well then I can watch the recording and get all the gory details, but more often than not everything was in the resume, like all the important things.00:57:08.378 --> 00:57:09.822


I laugh because we're the same.00:57:09.822 --> 00:57:17.262


And I even say now, when I have meetings on Teams, I tell everyone I'm going to record it for transcription only, just so that we can summarize it, so that way I don't have to worry about taking notes.00:57:17.282 --> 00:57:18.344


So these are.00:57:18.344 --> 00:57:20.748


You can even ask like is there anything that I need to do?00:57:20.748 --> 00:57:24.900


Did someone call me out so it's like you don't miss out?00:57:24.900 --> 00:57:30.641


So, because sometimes people forget to let you know, like, hey, this is, uh, chris's responsibility, you know?00:57:31.123 --> 00:57:38.507


um, I just ask copilot we'll have the world where we'll have ai in the meetings, only nobody has have the meeting and nobody has to be there.00:57:38.507 --> 00:57:40.315


This is where I think we're going.00:57:40.315 --> 00:57:55.318


We're going to a world where nobody will just expect AI to do everything, because now I can be absent from a meeting in a sense, but I actually wouldn't want that because this personal interaction is actually some of the more important stuff, but I want to be in the meetings where I really again something that has to do with passion.00:57:55.338 --> 00:57:57.666


Right, I want to be in the meetings where I feel like I make a difference.00:57:57.666 --> 00:58:00.735


It's just a meeting where I need to sit in just to be informed.00:58:00.735 --> 00:58:05.447


Well then, have co-pilot make me a resume and let me spend five minutes on this rather than an hour.00:58:05.447 --> 00:58:09.925


But in the meetings where I feel like I make a difference, I want to be in.00:58:09.925 --> 00:58:11.561


I want to have these candid conversations.00:58:11.561 --> 00:58:14.103


That's what makes my connection.00:58:19.675 --> 00:58:22.646


And that's where I think in this world will be is relationships are going to be the most important in the future.00:58:22.646 --> 00:58:28.282


It's no longer going to be some of the other things that we focus on now, but having that human relationship is going to be the most important.00:58:28.282 --> 00:58:30.576


I hope so, I think so and I hope so.00:58:30.576 --> 00:58:31.617


Well, mr Jesper sir.00:58:31.778 --> 00:58:38.460


I have a question really quick because, jesper, you had called out regional director and I've seen them everywhere.00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:46.137


Are those regional directors specific to products as well, and if so, does BCM work With the terminology again?00:58:46.197 --> 00:58:49.405


because regional director, I think, is also a title in the MVP program.00:58:49.405 --> 00:58:53.280


Yeah, and then there's also inside.00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.121


I don't think they're called, it's just some acronym again or something.00:58:56.121 --> 00:58:59.132


I don't think they're called, it's just some acronym again or something.00:58:59.132 --> 00:59:07.860


But there are people that are specialized on a market and say, okay, maybe that person does something you know particularly important or relevant to the market in Asia or something.00:59:07.860 --> 00:59:11.786


So yeah, Gotcha, Okay, just curious.00:59:11.786 --> 00:59:14.759


Yeah, there's something, there's some terminology of mix up there.00:59:14.778 --> 00:59:16.925


But yeah, terminology gets us all done.00:59:16.925 --> 00:59:18.818


Well, mr yes, well, mr yes, thank you very much.00:59:18.818 --> 00:59:19.902


Take the time to speak to us today.00:59:19.902 --> 00:59:21.126


I always look forward to speaking with you.00:59:21.126 --> 00:59:22.458


I'll have to speak to you quite well.00:59:22.458 --> 00:59:25.498


I have to have like a regular coffee hour or something to to catch up on the world.00:59:25.498 --> 00:59:27.724


Always fun, it's always fun, uh.00:59:27.724 --> 00:59:52.085


But thank you for all that you do for business central, thank you for all you do for the partners with the co-development, with the partner program and also in helping with the mvp program, where we can have some wonderful, talented individuals within the MVP program and very important like if you want to jump aboard the co-development you know, find me on LinkedIn, write me a message saying hey, I don't know how to start and I'll be happy to like literally hold your hand and guide you through it.00:59:52.375 --> 00:59:52.635


Like how?00:59:52.635 --> 00:59:56.967


Because it might seem like, oh my God, how do I even get started in the complex process?00:59:56.967 --> 01:00:06.425


But with a little bit of help, you know, it's easy enough, and also there are many MVPs out there that have tried it before.01:00:06.425 --> 01:00:06.708


Right, brad?01:00:06.728 --> 01:00:07.490


I mean you've made your contribution.01:00:07.490 --> 01:00:07.853


I want to do more.01:00:07.853 --> 01:00:10.039


Don't call me out.01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:12.123


I did fix a spelling mistake recently.01:00:12.123 --> 01:00:14.288


I was going to mention that's appreciated.01:00:14.288 --> 01:00:15.056


Now it's gone.01:00:15.056 --> 01:00:17.442


Even the contributions to anybody there.01:00:17.442 --> 01:00:24.543


That even if you see a spelling mistake, making a spelling mistake, or something something simple like that, it doesn't have to be a big Start with that.01:00:24.543 --> 01:00:28.005


It doesn't have to be a complex solution is what I'm trying to say.01:00:28.005 --> 01:00:37.159


But even something as minor that makes the product better by correcting a syntactical error or maybe some grammatical or spelling errors, or it might have to be slightly.01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:41.684


You saw something like hey, why does it behave like this on the sales side, but on the purchase side it's just slightly different.01:00:41.684 --> 01:00:43.166


Drives me crazy.01:00:43.166 --> 01:00:45.528


Well, create an issue and we'll take a look at it.01:00:45.528 --> 01:00:53.012


It's like, yeah, man, these things should behave the same way and then you can fix it once and for all and everyone will be happy, right?01:00:53.012 --> 01:01:02.762


So, anyway, need or think, or, like you know, start slow, but, but uh, start, uh, and and I'm super happy to help you there.01:01:02.762 --> 01:01:05.387


And I think, yeah, linkedin or viva engage is probably just a way to get hold of me these days.01:01:05.387 --> 01:01:07.940


Um, so please do.01:01:07.940 --> 01:01:18.065


And and also, if you are curious about the mvp program, I'm also always happy to talk about that or just chat about ai in the world and whatever that will.01:01:18.085 --> 01:01:24.284


We'll have to have another talk on, because I love those conversations, but thank you again for all that you and also thank you very much for taking the time to speak with us.01:01:24.284 --> 01:01:33.416


I know time is valuable and every minute that you have once you spend, you don't get back and you spending it with us is extremely valuable and appreciated from both of us.01:01:33.416 --> 01:01:35.583


So, thank you, let's talk with you soon.01:01:35.583 --> 01:01:35.925


Ciao, ciao.01:01:36.635 --> 01:01:36.775


Thanks.01:01:36.795 --> 01:01:37.217


Jesper.01:01:37.217 --> 01:01:47.362


Thank you, Chris, for your time for another episode of In the Dynamics Corner Chair and thank you to our guests for participating.01:01:47.715 --> 01:01:49.222


Thank you, brad, for your time.01:01:49.222 --> 01:01:52.701


It is a wonderful episode of Dynamics Corner Chair.01:01:52.701 --> 01:01:56.219


I would also like to thank our guests for joining us.01:01:56.219 --> 01:01:59.255


Thank you for all of our listeners tuning in as well.01:01:59.255 --> 01:02:13.840


You can find Brad at developerlifecom, that is D-V-L-P-R-L-I-F-Ecom, and you can interact with them via Twitter D-V-L-P-R-L-I-F-E.01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:27.126


You can also find me at matalinoio, m-a-t-a-l-i-n-o dot I-O, and my Twitter handle is matalino16.01:02:27.126 --> 01:02:30.822


And you can see those links down below in the show notes.01:02:30.822 --> 01:02:32.166


Again, thank you everyone.01:02:32.166 --> 01:02:33.740


Thank you and take care.