Episode 514: Do We Need AI to Fight AI? The Content Overload Nobody's Talking About

Opening And The Control Tradeoff

SPEAKER_00 0:00

I cannot tell for sure. I just sometimes see the uh a certain pattern reappearing over and over again, which makes me sure in this case, but not that that I would detect them in any case, no.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

But as this one pattern repeats so often, I welcome everyone to another episode of Dynamics Corner. AI creates more possibilities, but we lose control. I'm your co-host Chris.

SPEAKER_04 0:27

And this is Brad. This episode is recorded on April 9th, 2026. Chris, Chris, Chris. AI creating possibilities, AI creating content. We had a long conversation about those topics today with Natalie Karolak. Good morning, good afternoon. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 1:14

I'm doing fine. How are you?

Routines For Tracking Tech News

SPEAKER_04 1:16

Doing very well, thank you. Very well, thank you. Uh you know, I was thinking this morning that I'm sort of a creature of routine in a sense. That I I often find when I sit down or I start working, I have the same routine that I follow. I don't know if if either of you do that same type of thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:38

And I I feel a little disjointed sometimes if I can't sit down. I have to listen to the finance news as I'm waking up and doing things. Then if I work out, I do a certain thing, then I'll sit down. I have a few uh uh processes that I follow, I guess you could say. Uh one of them is to read the news. I allocate a short period of time to read the news. Now, I'm not saying the news like the world news, I'm I call it the news, like I try to see uh what's new with Business Central or what's new with technology or some of that type of stuff so that I can keep up with it. The actual real news is what people call it. It's a totally different conversation. I won't even go down that road.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

How do you how do you do that though, Brad? Do you like do you have like an app or you go to a certain place to kind of summarize all of that? Or do you just kind of like go to a website and well there's two things that I do?

Summaries Agents And Information Overload

SPEAKER_04 2:32

One is I have tiny RSS installed and I have a bunch of YouTube channels, blogs, and the the like that I follow. And I also have another means that I made to sort of aggregate some of the news based upon certain topics. And one thing that I realized this morning because I felt a little overwhelmed, there's just so much information now that it's impossible to do it. Because the amount of information that's being produced is like drinking from a high-pressured fire hose, and I'm trying to take it all in.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

Yeah, you're right. Maybe maybe you should just create an agent that would summarize all your RSS feed and YouTube and just say, hey, tell me what I should be, what's interesting based on what you know. Oh, you can't do that.

Meet Natalie And Why Boredom Matters

SPEAKER_04 3:37

I did that. I do have an agent that will go search the internet, and I have a pretty in-depth agent file that I use for the rules and the instructions for the information and the sources that are reviews. But even those sources that I have, it still gets challenging. And with that, I think we could have a good discussion about that type of stuff today. But before we jump into that, do you mind telling us a little bit about yourself?

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Yeah, hello everybody. So I'm Natalie Kaolak, I'm here for the fourth time, located in Germany right now on a wonderful sunny spring day and amidst my um uh short week of uh Easter, Easter break. So I'm here with a fresh mind and not thinking actually about AI or anything BC related, to be honest. So now I'm trying to uh switch into my my professional mode back again. So here I am. Yeah, um I'm I'm doing yeah, VC or let's call it better NASTA for yeah, almost exactly 20 years. So um I've seen uh quite a lot already. So um now I'm also like you trying to keep up with every bit of information, failing here and there, and um still trying alternative ways because uh to to be honest, I don't have that much trust in any agents doing things for me as long as I can do it myself, and then as long as it doesn't take too much time, which is always some game, right? But it's it's it's still like I mean you used to do it and it still works, but Red, you're so right, there's so much going on. You have no chances actually to follow them all, or you follow it all, but then you still have to decide, was that even important what I just read?

SPEAKER_04 5:37

I don't know. Yeah, that is right. It is, it's challenging, and not only was it important, and there's a uh a high volume of it, it's so easy for someone to create content today that I often wonder is it true? Right? It depends on what you're talking about. Some of the again again, there's different things that we're looking at because I focus primarily on tech information, so I try to keep up with AI. You must have a wonderful day if you haven't thought about AI in BC. It must have been a nice place for me.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

So what did you do? Like, if you it's not to think about business central or not to think about work and AI, like yesterday I went to the rest of the afternoon, I was gardening because we have beautiful spring right now. It's nice and warm, it's 68 degrees, uh and it's super nice, and I didn't think about anything but pulling weeds. So uh what were you doing, Natalie, to not think about BC and AI?

SPEAKER_00 6:46

What I'm doing uh besides my job, well the usual stuff, meeting friends, going outside. I'm I'm hiking and walking a lot, for example, or doing generally sports. But to be honest, when I do sports, whenever I do sports, I listen to podcasts, for example, yours. Also some actually not professional stuff, just about fun things, hobbies, you know. That's fun.

SPEAKER_04 7:14

Yeah, the the human mind's meant to be bored and not always on. I call it bored and to think of other things, and that's where a lot of creative thought and stuff comes in. Uh, one thing you forgot in the introduction, you have uh a few nicknames. One is uh BC Docs Librarian, uh, because you're fast at being able to help when uh in group conversations and online conversations where people have questions to be able to whip up that Microsoft documentation of where it's all specified so that we can uh have some factual information behind some of the things that people say, or at least have a story behind it. You also have another nickname which I haven't seen you use too often, but I will always use with you, which is do you want to share it?

SPEAKER_05 8:00

Say it.

SPEAKER_04 8:01

I don't remember. You don't even remember? Say it. Nitty.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

I do, but say it.

SPEAKER_04 8:07

No, you wanted me to say it, okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Of course, nobody knows about it.

AI Blog Patterns And Reader Mistrust

SPEAKER_04 8:12

Oh, well, anybody everybody knows about it now, hopefully, or anybody, and I'll have to keep sharing it. That's nitty is your other uh nickname, which uh is a joke. We we say and laugh uh in jest, but uh I appreciate um the history behind that as well, too, because it's important. So uh let's go down. So with all this content, uh and I know I've been involved with discussions with you about this content and the ability to produce content at a rapid rate and create agents to do things for you, it comes up the topic of AI generated or assisted content that people are producing. And I wanted to hear your thoughts on that topic.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Yeah, um so for for those probably who don't know my blog post yet, who started actually this conversation, um so as it is so easy nowadays to generate new content, so easier than ever. Um it it uh uh yeah produces lots of content. And um when you like you and me uh read them a lot, read them every day and for for quite some time, you see patterns. And these patterns um are created by AI themselves, um, which which means um there is some structure in in blog posts that keeps repeating itself over and over again. Even some special kind of sentences, whatever. I just style, general style, it's it's really like uh a stamp put on everything. It's it's like you have uh um maybe 100 authors, blog authors, but actually, I don't know, 10 or even less blogging stars, which is now now the really um uh pessimistic way of putting it, because of course they are still great blogs out there, they are very individual, although they are AI-aided. Yeah, um, but but uh it's it's it's a question of how you say if it just yeah, do something or great, it looks good, I put it on my side, that's one thing, or if you're really still investing into it and um proofread it a lot and really be careful about all those details that look nice but might not be correct, like you just uh said in the beginning, because sometimes you don't know for sure. I remember um often with some um microblogging content, they they they do look they they sound professional and 100% correct, but if you check them word by word, you would find out one moment, this this term, this isn't BC. How can can this relate to our job or whatever? Uh and this is this is something we have to be careful about. And uh so we as block or content creators, we need to be careful working with AI. But now, and this is actually a new um um involvement, is that I as a reader have to be careful as well. I don't I cannot trust it anymore 100% as we used to it earlier, and that's that's a pity actually. And and and my my question at the end of my blog post was and was a bit uh provocative, I I assume, and admit, but um do I as a reader now have to use AI to really check all that and to to summarize that for me? Because and now that AI spreads little content over many, many many lines, and I have to actually find the content in it. And do I really need now to use AI to fight AI? So this was my open question.

Can You Really Detect AI?

SPEAKER_04 12:00

It is, it's a it's a it's a paradoxical conversation that I've asked it before. I I've you touched upon many points that uh uh sit in my mind and listening to what you have to say, because uh I have many views on it, and I think we aligned on somebody have some questions on it. But that's where I even said before: if we're using AI to create content, and then we use AI to summarize the content because there's a lot of content, what is the purpose of all of that content? Right? It's it gets to that point where Chris, you had mentioned a point, use an AI agent to summarize all of the information. Well, I do because there's so much information. But then now, do you miss anything? Do you filter anything out? And it becomes to the point of Natalie's uh comment of when there's AI created content, you may not get the proper context or the usage of the word, so how much how accurate is the summary of it as well? But to go back to your one of your initial points of AI and identifying AI created content, all right? There's there's a different thing, a couple of things with this here. Um, and you mentioned some other words as well, AI assisted, which I want to go down that road. But you're saying AI created content because it looks at style, it looks at wording, and it looks at sentences. How do you how do you know it's AI? And I'll frame my question behind it, right? So the thought behind it.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

AI is true, I don't always detect it at once.

SPEAKER_04 13:40

No, no. Okay, but AI was trained based upon information. That information was created by people, therefore the style should, and the the usage of the words should somewhat reflect what it was trained on. Whereas I've read studies where they took literature from the early 1900s, talked with AI, it responded in a certain style, and then they took content from previous points, it responded in a certain style, and likewise. So AI was trained, it's not creating, it's predicting based on what it knows, right? That's the whole context of it. We spoke with Dimitri before he explained it really well, too, that these language models are just basically predictive models within a framework or a harness that just predict words. So it had to learn somewhere. So, how can we identify what the AI content is based on that, knowing that?

SPEAKER_00 14:47

Um, I cannot tell for sure. I just sometimes see the um uh a certain pattern reappearing over and over again, which makes me sure in this case, but not that that I would detect them in any case, no. But as this one pattern repeats so often, I'm asking myself on what base was AI trained on? Because before AI, I'm pretty sure the at least the blogs I read, they were very different from that style.

unknown 15:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

So how could it be done?

SPEAKER_00 15:18

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

They're structured very differently. I mean, you so you you now certain ones depending on the AI tool you're using, like if you were to use a Gemini or Chat GPT, they all have a very unique style of like write-ups in how they give you the results. So if they were to be AI generated content, you you start to see the right now, you start to see this patterns where like they have these bold letters, and then sometimes they have specific bullet points, and then uh uh all the way at the end, they'll always have like some conclusion or final thought or something like that, right? Very similar to a person that was blogging it. Um, but you can start seeing this, especially if they have like dashes, you know, that they're like, okay, this is something that don't even get me going on the dashes.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

And don't forget about emojis.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Oh, yeah, those emojis. Yeah. Emoji, like bullet points, emojis.

SPEAKER_05 16:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:15

These patterns. I'll I'll come at this at a different angle, and and I'm not going to sound like um, you know, AI should create everything. But if you look at the history of blogging, I'm assuming what you're saying is if you read someone's blog, we use blog articles at this point. You can use newspaper articles, anything, but let's just, we're talking about blogging. So you're saying that if you were to look at someone's blog and then their style changed at a certain point in time, the assumption could be that they're using AI to create those articles based on the style change. Before AI, I was blogging, and I could have looked at someone's blog, because I used to read a lot of blogs and decided, wow, I like the way that looks. That's the style that I want to use. Or SEO was big at the time, and it was okay, well, if you want your blog to be picked up by search engines, you should do this. So we had that, and that we had that need to or desire to change as we advanced, right? It's even if you look at this podcast, listen to episode one versus episode today, it's completely different. And we are real. Well, we think we're real. I don't know if we are. And I come with that because I had someone um say something to me once about something that I had written, and it was 100% written by me. And I said, just that's the way that I speak. Right? And and that's where I got into this whole qu you know, philosophical discussion, maybe, of AI had to learn how to speak that way. Who did it learn from? Just like we learn how to speak. I speak a certain way because of where I grew up. Same thing as I said, if AI is trained based on literature, uh, we'll narrow to literature from a certain period of time. Uh Natalie, you are in Germany. Uh you will use different um phrases and uh mannerisms that we would use in the Northeast, and Chris is in the Pacific Northwest, and he would do the same thing. We have some differences, and then it just shaped who we are. So uh sometimes I question how we can say something's AI generated when it had to learn from something, and now we're at the point where everybody has to almost defend themselves, which is another conversation we'll have in a moment, because they speak a certain way. So now it's do I have to not speak the way that I speak because I don't want to sound AI and I need to tone it down or not? This is just these are just my philosophical questions about it. That's all.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

I I think if so, for for a lot of us that are contributors to the community, you know, essentially you'd blog. Um, you know, it that it takes a lot of effort to to blog. Um you know, especially if it's uh you gotta write in English, and you know, certainly for me, English is not my first language, and uh trying to find the right word sometimes is difficult. Um but you you're right, it's it's um you could teach it yourself. You could teach it like, hey, this is how I write, take a look at here's reference all the blogs that I wrote myself. And if you were to write for me, take a look at my reference my past blogs. And and if I need you to research content or rewrite this paragraph, make sure you rewrite it in a way that I write wrote it in the past. So but I because I you know sometimes I can't find the right words. Uh so you could train it that way. So it's now it's your own personal uh intelligence. I know uh certain chat uh certain AI tools like ChatGPT or even Gemini or whatever you use, you can set uh personal, I think it's called personal intelligence or uh personal information, so you can set some references. So you can teach it yourself. You can teach it how you write it, not like what it reads from everywhere else. Yeah, you could do that.

SPEAKER_04 20:33

Well, that's the teaching and having agents with now with the models, with um them being uh the frameworks being a little more advanced uh and being able to work with uh not the you know what I call hard trained information. It's the I forget what they call it. So it's it's uh it's it's a blank in my head. Um but it's just it's just challenging because I see all these conversations that have AI generated. You know, the dashes I laughed about because we all know we had a conversation about dashes privately, and I use dashes more than anybody because I'm always a point-dash point-dash point-dash, and everyone's saying, well, that's a clear sign that it's AI generated when it's not being AI generated, because I'll show you all my text messages that I write, and I'm definitely not using AI to write the messages that I write.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

So it's you were the pioneer who trained AI.

SPEAKER_04 21:31

Maybe, maybe I'm old enough to be so so with all that information. So now you're talking this AI generated content where I can sit down and say, create me content on posting a sales order in Business Central. And it creates that document, and then I just publish it, right? That's one method of AI created content. To me, there's another camp of AI assisted content. Because when I uh the blogging methods have changed for me over the years. I used to write the blog articles, and then I would have my thoughts, my visions, my views, and then I would use another tool such as Grammarly or something like that, just to help polish the language sometimes. Because you know what it's like when your mind goes a thousand miles per hour, sometimes you just write points, and you need to shape those points. So I'll either go back and proofread it and then adjust it, and then also now I'll go through and say, okay, well, let's you know make sure that it sounds at least uh grammatically correct and not so robotic sometimes because the way I am. So that's AI assisted, or that's even I don't even do you call that AI assisted when you're using other tools, and it's the same thing because we've been doing this for a long time. Word has spell check, right? So people like that was a form of AI, I believe. Uh all these other tools that individuals use to assist with creating this content, we've been using it for a long time. So there's that one point of view. What about that type of content where you have AI, you write your thoughts, bullet point, paragraph point, or whatever, and then AI fills in the blanks for you? Is that a different type of content? Is that something that's uh more acceptable? And this is philosophical. I'm not saying you have to, you know, your viewpoint is it's all anti-AI created or anyone in this is anti-AI created. I'm just saying philosophically it's things to think about. What's the difference? AI creates it all. I publish it as my own. To your point, as long as you're, you know, if you review it and make sure that it makes sense, is that okay? Or do I put all my thoughts down, have AI fill in the blanks? Or do I just write it all and publish it as is?

SPEAKER_00 24:01

First of all, my blog post was not a general criticism of using AI to generate content. It's it's there to be used, of course, to be more productive and even to um um omit mistakes or whatever. Of course, we should use it. Yeah, and I my only criticism was about um are you actually your authors checking what you're publishing there? Um aren't you seeing that that you are losing your style and what's worse your content? Because lots of those new uh evolved uh blogs um have really, really few content to just splash across many, many lines and you have to start with it. Because there's so so so so many section titles and and emojis, and in between a few words, a few keywords that make make the actual content. And I don't want to search for that as a reader. I I prefer to have it short and concise, and that's it. And then I'm finished with reading and then I'm happy with it. But I don't like it to go long. But never mind. So back to your question. Um, so of course, uh there is a difference uh between I let AI create something completely for me, but then am I responsible to really proofread that thoroughly as much as I can. Uh I I cannot use AI to uh to put away all the work and and be sure it does not hallucinate, it it won't make any any other mistakes I didn't think about. I don't know. There has to be some responsibility in my personal opinion. If if if we you use those tools, we should use some responsibility. And um, your second uh suggestion about okay, well, let us let AI fill in the gaps. Well, this is exactly what we did with tools before AI. Yeah? So of course this is perfectly fine, but as everywhere, of course, we need to proof check. Um, if if you remember, sometimes the autocorrect function within MS Word, sometimes at least in German, they did some really weird stuff that we have had to undo. This happened back then, and now this happens again with AI for sure. So, of course, it's it's fine. So let's say this approach is just a little bit safer, it produces less mistakes, maybe, but of course it's not safe. So um it's perfectly fine. To be honest, I should use it more. I still do way too much 100% handcrafted because I'm used to that, because it it's fun for me. I think I know it's fun for me.

SPEAKER_04 26:42

You you just hit on something that I I'm glad you did. Uh but I want to recap what you just said. A couple of things. Being responsible for what you produce is the key to anything. Uh just assuming that anything that is created, if you pub put your name to it, you should make sure that it's factual. I like to blog a lot of like coding tips. And we all know, and I make examples of all of them because I want to make sure it works. Because if you use AI and you publish something, that code may be improper. And I've read some blogs that I've looked at the code and I said, that's not how business central works. And again, it's if you use AI to help, I'm okay, but I really think, in my opinion, it is something that you hit on. Why are you creating the content? Right? And you should follow with why you're creating it. Are you creating content just because you want a million people to know you exist? Or are you doing it because you enjoy something and you want to share the information that you have, or you just like to craft and create something? Like some people like to bake, some people like to garden, some people like to paint, some other people like to craft content and put it online, right? I I think everyone has different views, and that's why I'm glad you said it is I think we need to look at why are we doing what we're doing? Are we creating something to share something that we've learned? Uh, are we creating something to uh uh have reference for something that we learned? Because I will tell you I created some things, it's because I knew something or I learned something, I didn't want to forget it, so I made an article about it so I could find it again for myself. Um and that is a key thing, and I I I'm happy that you mentioned that. Is you uh you I don't think you spend too much time doing it manually if you're doing it for the enjoyment of doing it manually. Well, you're doing it for the enjoyment of creating it, right? It's it's um it's something that we need to ask is why why are we doing what we're doing? And I I could go down this rabbit hole for days. If we're doing it so that people read it, shouldn't we be responsible that it's correct? Because then now we don't want to look like we don't have valuable content, because then whoever reads it will be like you, in the position of you, that it doesn't have any information. I agree with you. I am a Northeasterner and we speak very few words, right? We say in few words what some people will say many sentences for. And I read some of these articles, and there's three paragraphs, but there's only one point in those three paragraphs, and I'm like, you could have said that in three sentences. Or, like you said, there's a lot of words. Um, I've read blogs, newsletters, articles. I there's a lot of words, and I'm going, what does it even say? Like, what is the message? What's the point? There's just a bunch of words. So I agree with you there, and it's becoming harder and harder to read things or information, excuse me, because there's so much of that out there now. Because it's easier to create, because I can create an agent that will create a blog post and publish it for me every day at six o'clock if I wanted to.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

I think that goes back to those things where you had mentioned it's no different than what it is we've always been saying. It's like that people focus too much on the quantity of the content rather than the quality of the content. You're right. I I've come across many blogs where like, oh, this is too long. I really don't want to read it. Or, oh, they just mentioned that like two paragraphs ago. You know, it's like you're just repeating and you're just putting too many words, too many, it's just quantity because you want to look good. You want it to sound good. At the end of it, you just have like you could have just said that in two sentences.

Quality Versus Quantity And Shorts

SPEAKER_04 30:49

Yes, well, it's quality.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

It's quality.

SPEAKER_04 30:52

I mean, I'll read a book of six hundred pages if the book has good quality content. I do not mind a blog post or a news article, I call it a news article, tech article, of seven pages if it has valuable information through those seven pages. If it has six pages of filler words and one page of content, then I would say reduce the content.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Is that is that why there is a rise on like you know, shorts, like YouTube shorts or like Instagram, TikTok, whatever, right? Because like it's straight to the point, 60 seconds. I don't need his filler long video of something. Like it maybe that's like maybe that's the reason why. Because it's like, hey, just get to the point, just cut to the noise.

SPEAKER_04 31:38

I think those shorts, I'm sorry, Natalie, if you want to jump in there. I think the shorts fall into that same thing, but I think there's a lot of shorts that are useless too. I think a lot of the shorts because people have a shorter attention span now and they think they want like short. It's that dopamine rush that you get. There's a big psychology behind that. It's not that the shorts are more informative, because also sometimes people have shorts, you know, the cliffhanger type shorts. Sometimes you can't get your message across in six across in 60 cents, uh 60 seconds, excuse me. Yeah, that's true. You know, try to explain um, you know, events to somebody in Business Central in 60 seconds. You can't. And if you do, you're going to leave a lot of information out. So um to me, the shorts are more catchy or for catching. Uh, and you may get some uh sentences or statements, but if you can't you may not get the full context in 60 seconds, we have to be careful. I'm not saying you can't do it in 60 seconds and have the full context of what you're trying to relay. I'm finding more often than not they're more just hooks. So uh to go down there. So it's interesting. The whole AI world of AI created content.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

I'm just asking myself, if you ask AI to create shorts for you for us for based on our blog posts or um existing videos, how would they look like? I haven't tried it, but it could be fun reviewing them.

SPEAKER_04 33:05

I think that's a good experiment. I I I think well, to be honest, we use Riverside for the podcast recording. We're very transparent with what we do in Every Secrets. Riverside has um clips that it can create for you uh using AI. When we do the episodes, uh when we share it, uh we usually share clips of the conversation so people can see who they are, they have some information about the topic. Um, usually I'll click the bookmark point as we're talking so I know where there was something that was said that may be good for that one-minute clip. But Riverside has the ability to create magic clips. So you can say I want it to be a minute, minute and 30 seconds, four minutes, five minutes. Do I want to focus more on uh you know which guests or is there a specific point? And it will go through and create a bunch of points for you that you could use as shareable clips. Uh so I've never generated them on my own. It's what they've done, and I do look at them and view them. Sometimes they're pretty good, uh, sometimes not so good, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

But I think I think that would be a great exercise, Natalie, if you take if you take something. Um I I think there's certainly some tools out there that would take the best out of your content and then maybe generate like an audio. Uh I do know that several people use Gemini, and if you were to feed it your content or blog, uh you can have Gemini uh do a short, brief summary in an audio. No, not I don't think they don't do video right now, but I'm sure it eventually you can have an avatar and just be a person, but you could give it a shot.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

I also remember it must have been half a year, even full year, I don't know, long time ago already in uh AI scale, that um that uh the it was a website, you could feed it with your blog or any website, I don't know, and it would create a podcast. Um two people talking to each other. Uh wow, this was impressive, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 35:16

I know Notebook LM does that where you can give it sources and it will create a podcast of those sources for you. I think it would be maybe you could do this for fun. Take your take your blog and have it create short of it and have an animated uh BC docs librarian character that will yeah, you can't.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

You could because you could they could even banter like by pros and cons like of your blog. Like how do you have to like you can have it uh uh I don't know, like strip it down to like you know what is it true or is it not true? It's pretty cool thing to do. Um but I'm sure we could do yeah, I'm sure you could do it too.

SPEAKER_04 36:04

But I would be interested to see you do a good experiment for you.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

Uh and let me know how it uh works out for you. There's just so much that you can do. I I'm finding that I have a uh an infinite number of ideas of things to create, but time is limited uh on what to create, so I'm I'm slowing down and then I'm also starting to get AI burnout. You know, I was I was writing a lot of blogs and sharing a lot of content, but now I've gone to not so much because it's just so much information out there, and it's it it's almost discouraging to create some of that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

If um you can do what Natalie's doing, go out on a hike, man. The weather's getting nice, go outside.

SPEAKER_04 36:50

That is the the the important part of life. But again, it's I I think another thing with all this AI created content is we're getting saturated with information to where it's almost discouraging to share the information as well.

Turning Blogs Into Clips And Podcasts

SPEAKER_01 37:06

Yeah, but also uh we we've had several conversations, and Natalie, this is a uh maybe perhaps a question for you is that you know, with all the pressure of AI, AI generated content, assisted um and so forth, do you feel as though that pressure is isolated within our bubble of tech space? Do you feel as though when you're meeting with friends and family, do they even talk about that? Do they even care? Do they even use it? And so forth?

SPEAKER_00 37:40

To be honest, outside my professional bubble, I never ever talked to other people about this kind of stuff. So I'm assuming they don't use it that much. I I I mean, for sure they're consuming it one or another. For example, when when you're doing a Google search, there is an automatic option to to use some AI search. So I don't know. So probably that way. And some of them um do some AI-aided um, you know, um um yeah photo editors or whatever. Yeah. Um, but but to be honest, it was never that much of a topic during our conversations because other topics were more important, for example, politics. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

Yeah. Yeah, it's just curious because I'm sure like it feels like that where I know I think everyone feels the pressure of utilizing AI and and building agents and so forth, but then if you really step back outside, it's it's not it isn't such a big deal, to be honest, at the same time, which is kind of odd.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

So, how is it on your side?

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Same. I mean, uh I got a lot of friends and and family that cares nothing about it. I mean, I just my neighbor, he's a landscaper, we hang out and doesn't use it. Uh my wife being a teacher, uh she she she used it in some degree, but a lot of them still manual. Um uh a good friend of mine, she's a veterinarian, and they don't use AI. It's like I I don't even know how to use how do we start with that. She did mention though that they use um they had an x-ray machine where they use AI to read, and she said, and this was two years ago, she said uh it was all wrong. It gave us wrong information. She turned she returned it after three months of usage, and it's like ah, you know, it it's based on experience, we're we're better off to do this right now. Now it might have gotten better now, but any like I said, anyone outside, no. No, they they don't really get into that.

Is AI Pressure Just A Tech Bubble?

SPEAKER_04 39:53

Yeah, I I I've noticed the same. I I think we are in a bubble because we're in the tech field, or I think the AI adoptions there. Not to say that other industries or other groups of people aren't using it. Uh I know of others that are in it but not as deep as we are. And then I know others that just were talking to me the other day saying, Hey, did you know that in Copilot you can do this? So I think that many people are at various places within their journey where doing what we do or the space that we're in, and also the individuals that we uh uh converse with and communicate with regular are there. So we're at one end of the spectrum where others are at the other end of the spectrum and they're sort of catching up. And to be honest with you, I don't know what the world would be like when that other group of people who are are progressing in their journey. And again, everybody has to start at the beginning. It's just a matter of when you get on that train, I say. Uh not everybody was born at the beginning uh or jumps into it right when the train left, you know, or once the train started moving. You know, you you get on at various stops. How much more content and how many more things will be created? Because I look back now and I see so many people creating so many things, and I'm like, where's the saw going? Right? I I follow the Microsoft app source, I look at like Apple's app store, I look at the number of apps that get submitted, or the number of apps in the store, like the app source apps, every day I look at it now just to see the number change, and it's changing. And it's like, okay, so now we're saturating with all of these things, the market with all of these things. I'm not even talking about just business central. Who's going to use all of these things? Right? And it becomes challenging too. It's once people start to realize that we talk about this is software disposable. I'm not trying to go all over this place, as we talk about AI content. I can just create stuff myself. Right? Like what happens when we're done, right? I can say create my own newspaper, right? Create my own news article of the things that happened yesterday, but it has to go out and look at stuff that other people publish. What happens when people stop publishing that, or all we have is bad information?

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Yeah, AI, AI, J AI consuming another AI's content.

SPEAKER_04 42:04

Yeah, Natalie's like, oh wow, we I didn't know we're gonna jump into this philosophical discussion of uh where we uh are going.

The Coming Business Central Manager Agent

SPEAKER_01 42:14

I I I have a question for you, Natalie. So being someone in BC, uh, you know, I had this um I had this prediction, and I I think Brad has heard me before, uh, that eventually uh because you now you could talk with AI, right? AI can respond to you with voice and so forth. I I'm curious what you think from based on my prediction, that eventually Microsoft would have a BC business manager agent where you just talk to it and say, Tell me about my business, and it would be from Business Central and it'll respond back and say, This is what you're doing, this is what you should be doing. Uh would you like me to action that? And then the business manager agent would be like, Yeah, well, it's like, yeah, I would like you to action it. It will go out to all the different agents and it'll just action all the stuff that it needs to do. That would be the day where ERP would change forever.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

We're heading to it, aren't we?

SPEAKER_03 43:16

Yeah, yeah. I think it's already changed forever. Uh it just needs a voice at this point. Yeah, that's that's uh an interesting approach um and used to see.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

Uh I just I know sometimes I do want to go back to just being outside and not knowing about all this stuff and just enjoying the air hiking and stuff. But um it's where we are. So, Natalie, back to the AI created content. In summary, if you're going to use AI to assist with the development or of content, that's Validate, verify the information's factual so that you're putting out that information. And also, also I say sometimes do things, like take a look at why you're doing some of these things when we're talking about creating contents and creating articles. Is it for fun? Is it for knowledge, or is it just for the visibility? What else? Do you have any other points to think of for the AI created content again?

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Sorry, didn't get the last question.

SPEAKER_04 44:28

Oh, some additional thoughts on um the use of AI um for for content or in in in your in your life.

SPEAKER_00 44:39

I think another reason for doing is is just have the possibility to have the power that you didn't have before. Yeah, to discover new abilities and to see where we're heading to by using it. You know what I mean? Just like, okay, and um I couldn't do this before, so now I am doing it, and let's see what happens after it.

SPEAKER_04 45:03

So it is, it is, it's a whole new energy for uh some people as well, you know, because like you said, it's I I can do more than I couldn't do before.

Identity Loss And Agent Managed Work

SPEAKER_00 45:12

I I mean don't underestimate how much we are both privately and and professionally pushed into using AI. You cannot escape it. It's if if if you decide I don't want to use it because for whatever reason, you have almost no chance in escaping it. This is really impressive. So I don't know. I mean you're you're losing a little bit of control. You so uh you're you're gaining possibilities, but but but you're really losing control, and this is uh I don't know how to phrase it, but it it means that that we must be uh more open to surprises in any kind of way. If it if it makes any sense.

SPEAKER_04 45:59

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. I understand what you're saying, and that's pretty it's pretty powerful and and a good way of looking at it.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

It's um that's hard to swallow. Like what you you what you said. I have to pause there for a minute because you're right. Like it cre it gener it can create more possibilities for you, but you are losing yourself, you're losing control at the same time of what you can do. It's it's weird to say that because that feels that way.

SPEAKER_04 46:31

Yeah, yeah, you everyone's being pushed to it or will be pushed to it, or everyone tries to compete with it. Um but also to the point is you are losing some identity in a sense, in my opinion. Again, I could go on for days and days about this. You know, there's benefits. Listen, there's I'm not saying there are no benefits, and I'm not anti-AI by any means, but I'm saying we need to take a look now. I think everyone's running so fast with it that nobody's really paying attention to some of this stuff. But I think a lot of people are uh I think we're losing some of our own identities in some places and we're just becoming more robotic and just more managing things without really putting and when you you know you talk about the creativity of it, right? You talk about the blog post. Are you really creative if you're just having AI generate something for you, for example? Um it's almost an individuality that we had before, where you could have writing style, you know, for different authors for different types of books. Software developers and application developers would have style in the way that they've coded and the way that the user interface was on their applications. Where now, if you're using AI-generated content, things are starting to become to Navelie's point at the very beginning to bring it back, cookie cutter. We have that same type of styles of writing, the same type of styles of user interfaces where we're starting to lose our identity, I think.

SPEAKER_01 47:54

Yeah, I think there's gonna be a uh future role position. It's gonna be a it's gonna be called business agent manager, where that's all you do is manage agents.

SPEAKER_04 48:05

What do you need to do for that? I don't know. But Natalie, you hit you hit the great point. It's uh I understood exactly what you mean. It's pretty powerful. Um I think uh I think a lot of people, we had Soran on a couple episodes ago. Uh and it's the same thing. I think a lot of people are feeling a lot of this, but nobody's talking about it. Um and again, it's not a matter of saying don't use it, but it's let's talk about it and what it comes along with it, and then how to use it and how we all can uh support each other uh so we don't lose the individuality, and we also realize we're all not uh you know alone. Humans aren't meant to be solitary, they're meant to be communal species. So uh anyway, with that, we got pretty deep with some of the stuff. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 48:52

It is pretty uh it's almost pretty bleak future at the same time exciting, which is kind of like how does that even happen?

SPEAKER_04 49:02

Yeah, I I don't want to uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

I I am thinking like, what am I gonna do when Agent can do a lot of my stuff? Like, you know, I need to like learn how to garden better or something.

Where To Find Natalie And Closing

SPEAKER_04 49:16

We can have that whole other conversation offline, but I think um I I think that's just with anything else, we'll have to adapt as we progress, and um we'll learn uh you know how how to continue to thrive and survive um as we progress forward. But uh having a garden and and living off the land doesn't sound like such a bad idea. So uh it sounds peaceful to me. Uh nothing to do with AI, I'm just saying that in general. Uh with that, Natalie, if anyone would like to talk to you uh more about AI uh system content, developed content, uh learn information about your blog and other great things that you do, what's the best way to get in contact with you?

SPEAKER_00 50:01

Nowadays, I suppose the easiest way is to uh contact me or to look at me uh over LinkedIn, which I've entered only recently. Yeah, um so this is for sure a good way. If if you're not on LinkedIn, you can still uh view my blog directly, which is uh natalikabolac.wordpress.com. Um, yeah, because um which um because contact me directly by email or or something like that is not my preferred way of being contacted. Um yeah, so yeah, and and and I'm also posting on on Blue Sky if you prefer uh short news about what's going on in the docs or about my new uh blog posts or some recommended content I've read from others. Um yeah, so these are the best options.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

Great, thank you. Thank you again for joining us again. You're you're uh a veteran of the uh podcast now. It's always a pleasure speaking with you, uh, and I enjoy all the information that you share.

SPEAKER_00 51:08

Sorry for being so deaf today.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

No, no, it's a great conversation. A lot of thought-provoking conversation here because it is, it's kind of uh you're interesting.

SPEAKER_04 51:20

You made my mind um think a lot about this too. So it's it's a good conversation. I mean, it's a conversation that a lot of people uh thinking if they're not having. So uh thank you again for taking the time to speak with us. Uh, and I'm happy that uh you're getting some time outside as well, too. That's important.

SPEAKER_00 51:39

Um thank you once again.

SPEAKER_04 51:41

Yeah, thank you. And look forward to speaking with you again, and hopefully one day we'll be able to be at the where we can meet in person, but uh uh until then we'll still still communicate. Thank you again. Talk to you soon. Chao ciao.

unknown 51:55

Bye.

SPEAKER_04 51:55

Take care, darling. Bye.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

Thank you, Chris, for your time for another episode of In the Dynamics Corner Chair, and thank you to our guests for participating.

SPEAKER_01 52:06

Thank you, Brad, for your time. It is a wonderful episode of Dynamics Corner Chair. I would also like to thank our guests for joining us. Thank you for all of our listeners tuning in as well. You can find Brad at developerlife.com. That is D V L P R L I F E dot com. And you can interact with them via Twitter, D V L P R L I F E. You can also find me at mattalino.io, m-a-t-a-l-in-o.io, and my Twitter handle is Mattalino16. And see you can see those links down below in the show notes. Again, thank you everyone. Thank you, and take care.